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Everything Old is New Again

Uploaded: Aug 14, 2017

In the aftermath of this past weekend’s sordid displays in Virginia and New Jersey, it may be reassuring to recognize that our country has been through this kind of thing before.

A hundred years ago as America contemplated the Great War in Europe, questions arose publicly about whether recent waves of immigrants and others were truly ‘American.’ No less a leader than former President Teddy Roosevelt inveighed against ‘hyphenated Americans’- the implication being that the loyalty to This nation of folks who identified as such might be compromised, or at least presumptively doubted.

A ‘melting pot’ of assimilation into the dominant patriotic paradigm (read: Anglo-Saxon heritage) was the popular associated image; there were concerns that newer Americans were insufficiently dissolved.

Against this tide of xenophobia stood Randolph Bourne, a young American writer who was native-born but whose physical abnormalities rendered him an outsider, by perspective. In 1916, he penned a long essay in The Atlantic titled “Transnational America.” It resonates today, not only regarding immigrants, but any other ‘others’ beyond the mainstream of the popular culture.

The essay is synopsized here; great liberties have been taken with normal quotation conventions, to try to maintain the flow of ideas in the original. *
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Bourne starts by noting the near-panic among immigrants-of-prior-generations who are “stunned by the evidence of vigorous nationalistic and cultural movements in this country among Germans, Scandinavians, Bohemians, and Poles,” and “insist that (those newer comers) be forcibly assimilated to that Anglo-Saxon tradition, which they unquestioningly label 'American.'”

He continues that his purpose is “to urge us to an investigation of what Americanism may rightly mean. It is to ask ourselves whether our ideal has been broad or narrow—whether perhaps the time has come to assert a higher ideal than the 'melting- pot.' Surely, we cannot be certain of our spiritual democracy when, claiming to melt the nations within us to a comprehension of our free and democratic institutions, we fly into panic at the first sign of their own will and tendency. We act as if we wanted Americanization to take place only on our own terms, and not by the consent of the governed.”

He notes that no immigrant group has clung so tenaciously to its cultural roots as the descendants of the English. But he identifies “the distinctively American spirit – pioneer, as distinguished from the reminiscently English,” and found in the writings of Whitman and Emerson and James. We are not, as some English might have us be, “a self-governing dominion of the British Empire.”

As an example of the difference, Bourne presents his view of regional contrasts: “the South still remains an English colony, stagnant and complacent, having progressed culturally scarcely beyond the early Victorian era. It is culturally sterile because it has had no advantage of cross- fertilization like the Northern states. What has happened in states such as Wisconsin and Minnesota is that strong foreign cultures have struck root in a new and fertile soil. America has meant liberation, and German and Scandinavian political ideas and social energies have expanded to a new potency. The foreign cultures have not been melted down or run together, made into some homogeneous Americanism, but have remained distinct but cooperating to the greater glory and benefit not only of themselves but of all the native 'Americanism' around them.”

He notes the Great War as evidence of the folly of European nationalism and disconnected identities. America of the day may be a “transplanted Europe,” but “its colonies live here inextricably mingled, and yet not homogenous. They merge, but they do not fuse.”

“America is a unique sociological fabric, and it bespeaks a poverty of imagination not to be thrilled at the incalculable potentialities of so novel a union of men. To seek no other goal than the weary old nationalism — belligerent, exclusive, inbreeding, the poison of which we are witnessing now in Europe — is to make patriotism a hollow sham.”

So then, what IS the distinctly American culture? Bourne continues: “Just as our American genius has expressed the pioneer spirit, the adventurous, forward- looking drive of a colonial empire, it is representative of that whole America, of the many races and peoples, and not of any partial or traditional enthusiasm. And only as that pioneer note is sounded can we really speak of the American culture. As long as we thought of Americanism in terms of the 'melting- pot,' our American cultural tradition lay in the past. Rather, we must embrace the paradox that our American cultural tradition lies in the future. It will be what we, all together, make out of this incomparable opportunity of unlocking the future with a new key.”

“The failure of the melting-pot, far from closing the great American democratic experiment, means that it has only just begun. Whatever American nationalism turns out to be, we see already that it will have a color richer and more exciting than our ideal has hitherto encompassed. We find that we have been building up the first international nation. For the first time in history, it is that miracle of hope, the peaceful living side by side, with character substantially preserved, of the most heterogeneous peoples under the sun.”

This “wholeness and soundness of enthusiasm and purpose can only come when no national colony within our America feels that it is being discriminated against, or that its cultural case is being prejudged. This strength of cooperation, this feeling that all who are here may have a hand in the destiny of America, will make for a finer spirit of integration than any narrow 'Americanism' or forced chauvinism.”

“America is coming to be, not a nationality but a trans- nationality, a weaving back and forth, with the other lands, of many threads of all sizes and colors. Any movement which attempts to thwart this weaving, or to dye the fabric any one color, or disentangle the threads of the strands, is false to this cosmopolitan vision. Our question is, What shall we do with our America? How are we likely to get the more creative America—by confining our imaginations to the ideal of the melting- pot, or broadening them to some such cosmopolitan conception as I have been vaguely sketching?”

“We cannot Americanize America worthily by sentimentalizing and moralizing history. All our idealisms must be those of future social goals in which all can participate, the good life of personality lived in the environment of the Beloved Community. No mere doubtful triumphs of the past, which redound to the glory of only one of our transnationalities, can satisfy us. It must be a future America, on which all can unite, which pulls us irresistibly toward it, as we understand each other more warmly.”

“Here is an enterprise of integration into which we can all pour ourselves, of a spiritual welding which should make us, not weaker, but infinitely strong.”
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The Bourne article, like America’s statements of principles embodied in the US Constitution and elsewhere, is timeless. We may substitute immigrants from other places, and other kinds of ‘others’ for those identified in the piece, but the principles remain the same.

America, then, is an Idea – history’s best idea. It is founded on a loyalty to an inclusive future, to possibilities that we cannot now know, and which we should never arrogantly prejudge in the present. It is in our very differences of background and thinking, united and liberated around that American Idea, that our unique strength and “Exceptionalism” are found.

The forces of exclusion, of hearkening to some perception of an idealized past, toxically oppose the American Idea. They are fundamentally anti-patriotic and must be resisted for America to fulfill its promise.

E pluribus unum – out of many, one. It’s on our money. It is our truest lodestar. Never has it been more important to re-commit to that truest Americanism.


* I am also indebted to this article in the New Yorker, for both direction and alerting me to Bourne’s essay. The italics in the blog are mine.

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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 14, 2017 at 7:39 pm

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FYI:

The most accurate capture of the great Sioux Nation was published by Mari Sandos during the mid 1920's.

Along came Thomas powers, year 2010 with his accurate publication of "The Killing Of Crazy Horse".

Tom your blog seemed to miss this Indian Nation History!

The Indians were always here, America was always here, Columbus did not discover the Indian Nation or America.


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on Aug 15, 2017 at 5:33 am

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Posted by American, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 7:05 am

It is important to remember that was truly sets America apart from other nations is that we are a country founded on the rule of law. If you violate the law, there are predictable consequences from the government. If you do not like the law, you get the law changed, legally. No one has the right to unilaterally decide if they are going to follow the law. You use the term "immigrant" in a vague and ambiguous manner. If you immigrate here LEGALLY, it is much different than if you just unilaterally and illegally come here. If the government does not consistently and predictable enforce the law on immigrants, than we lose our culture as a nation founded on the rule of law.

We are all immigrants, except for the Native Americans. To treat LEGAL immigrants who recently came here any different than those who LEGALLY came here hundreds of years ago is wrong, and a violation of the rule of law. Hence, when discrimination occurs against LEGAL immigrants, it is wrong and a violation of the rule of law, and the government must act to stop the discrimination.

But to equate ILLEGAL immigrants having the same exact rights as LEGAL immigrants is a violation of the rule of law our nation was founded on. Immigration laws must be enforced, in a country based on the rule of law. If you do not like the law, get it changed legally. But to allow anyone to unilaterally violate the law without any consequences from the government is a threat to the existence of a nation founded on the rule of law.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 10:33 am

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Michael: point taken. I will put 'Crazy Horse' on my reading list.

Am: Thanks for the thoughtful response. I'm always fascinated by those points that bring responses, as this blog was primarily intended to address the Forward-looking vs. Backward-looking contrast in the tragic confrontations in Virginia, and their aftermath.

I think you and I can agree on the primacy of respect for the rule of law as a foundation of Americanism. On the scale of threats to it, however, I'd suggest that lawless alt-right/neo-Nazism far outranks illegal immigration. I believe the thugs who emerged in Charlottesville are an organized, angry, fundamental affront to liberty and the rule of law - terrorists who use violence to promote their backward-looking political agenda. You need look no further than the rallying cry "we're taking our country back" to understand the peril and their orientation. In that, they share much in-common with international terrorists in their approach and methods, if not their ultimate goals.

As to immigration, the current approach is doing great damage to the US Ag sector. Fortune magazine, no lefty rag, recently wrote about crops rotting in the fields. Dairy farmers the same. I think passing comprehensive immigration reform is the place to start - then you can define the problem precisely, hurt fewer hard-working people and solve the current serious economic damage.

I would also note that such bi-partisan reform passed the Senate in 2013, but the House refused to even consider it. And it was a Far-right, Backward-looking caucus that is to blame for the failure - and our current plight. Senator McCain called this week for a resurrection of that kind of bill. It would be a valuable reform and a fitting tribute.


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Posted by MichaelB, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 11:25 am

<You need look no further than the rallying cry "we're taking our country back" to understand the peril and their orientation.>

The old "right wing bad, left wing good" argument again?

Actually you need look no further than Barack Obama's call to "fundamentally transform" the nation in 2008 and his refusal to enforce immigration and his own health care laws to understand the peril and orientation. The Constitution and nation somehow need to be gutted and government needs to be in control by so called "progressives" who claim to know better regarding how much you should earn, what kind of jobs are needed, what kind of cars you can purchase, how it's "unfair" that something isn't free, etc.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 11:49 am

For once, I actually agree with "American". There should be a strong distinction between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. And I think the rise of "sanctuary cities" is a load of nonsense, too. We have one nation with Federal laws concerning legal immigration, not a lot of individual communities and cities which have the right to set up their own laws concerning immigration policy.

As for MichaelB's predictable stance of blaming Obama for everything, I disagree with that. Illegal immigration across the southern border has long been a problem over many Presidential administrations. It's not something that suddenly happened with Obama, and if my memory is correct Obama actually deported more people back over the border than GW Bush did.

Finally, there is also a practical economic dimension to the issue of illegal immigration across the southern border. Illegal immigrant workers play a significant role in the economies of some states, particularly California's economy. What would be the effect of suddenly eliminating all of those illegal immigrant workers who play a major role in California's agricultural sector and many other jobs involving manual labor and low pay? Do we have enough US citizens who would be willing to work such jobs? Like other immigrants in the past, the illegal immigrants coming across the southern border are willing to work jobs under conditions that most established Americans shun.


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Posted by MichaelB, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 12:37 pm

@Sam

I didn't "blame" Obama for everything.

I simply pointed out that he ignored the Constitution when it suited him and was the left wing equivalent of "taking our country back" that Tom has issues with regarding peril and orientation from those on the right. "Fundamentally transforming" the nation for progressive (socialist) causes is apparently just fine and nothing to be worried about? Amazing.


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Posted by American, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 1:20 pm

I apologize this is a bit off topic, but I am more concerned than ever that we are a country that is drastically divided. We have far right extremist groups that the Republicans do not seem worried enough about, and we have far left extremist groups that the Democrats do not seem worried enough about. We have a President, Senators, and Representatives, that can not even be cordial to one another, much less work together on common issues that would benefit our great country. The war of words has escalated to a war of violence, with protestors on both sides getting more violent and more out of control. Anarchy, violent riots, and despicable conduct on both sides of the political spectrum seems to be the norm rather than the exception. Nobody feels their views or concerns are being heard, which leads to more separation, division, and lawlessness.

I think the best hope for our nation is to have a truly independent person run for President in 2020. Someone who is not only registered as an Independent, but also truly independent and apolitical. Perhaps a leader in the business community, military, athletics or academia, who can work with all types of people, find a common ground, and common solutions, and stop the political rhetoric that is leading to more and more violent riots. Peyton Manning comes to mind(and I may be wrong but I think he is apolitical), someone who is bright, gets along with everyone, is respectful, educated, successful, and admired by people of all races, religions, sexes, etc. He always put the team first ahead of his own ego, got the best out of those around him, and boy can we use someone like that in Washington!

Any other suggestions?

Anyone have any other suggestions or


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 3:58 pm

Why do the Republicans have to take responsibility for the views and activities of White supremists?

For the 8 years before Trump, the so-called ANTIFA ran rabid through universities and cities like Oakland and Berkeley destroying everything they could because they didn't like conservative political speech. And exactly who from the White house called them on it?

Now, because the far right and far left are bashing each others heads in, we -the common citizen who just wants to works and provide for our families- are supposed to take sides between the communists and klansmen?

You can make the case that both political sides use a divide and conquer strategy, but only the left is the one that stays curiously silent when those aligned to them wreak havoc.
Don't believe me? Read what the mayor of Berkeley said after the last couple of ANTIFA protests. For comparison, I watched most of the Sunday shows and the politicians on the right were quick to condemn violence from the White Nationalists.

And all this, over free political speech. A natural right.

I'm horrified that this country still has racism of all persuasions. I couldn't care less about confederate statues and the like. I wouldn't even think of visiting a place that memorialized confederate "heros".

But given all this, it's still free speech and dammit, you don't have to like it.

In today's press conference Trump was correct when he called out both sides. The organizers of the legal protest and the interlopers who attacked them. The police and political officials share an equal amount of blame because they let it happen. They could have kept the two groups apart but they didn't. It was politics.

We're going to find out more about what happened. But unless and until you accept free speech, even when objectionable, and stop identity politics, this is going to get a lot worse.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 3:59 pm

I strongly recommend that the next President of the United States be a person of color, not another caucasoid. They cause too much trouble for everybody.


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Posted by Pololo Mololo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 4:03 pm

Web Link


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 4:08 pm

I remember just a few months ago, a member of the "alt-left" went to a baseball field and starting shooting republican politicians like sitting ducks.

Rep. Steve Scalice is STILL in the hospital recovering from his wounds.

Not one of the lefties here blogged nor even commented on this event. Not one wrote of the moral outrage of attempting to kill someone for their political beliefs.

Why not?


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 pm

Peyton Manning & trump: Web Link

Note: He has recovered.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 4:22 pm

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Why not? Why not??! Why, because we're all too busy taking target practice, Scattershot. You'll do your cause no favors with this line of discussion.

I'll take absurdly false equivalences for $100, Alex.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 4:32 pm

"You'll do your cause no favors with this line of discussion."

Care to tell us why, or are you going to keep it a secret?



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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 9:25 pm

@Resident

This is how a real President behaves:

Web Link

If you don't get it, then you just don't get it.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 15, 2017 at 10:24 pm

"They're going to try to scare people. They're going to try to say that ‘that Obama is a scary guy.' If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I've seen Eagles fans."

Barack H. Obama advocating for violence.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 12:30 am

@Resident

The ideals expressed by Obama are bigger than the man himself and cannot be defeated by attacking him. You didn't get it.


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Posted by Bob Brescia, a resident of another community,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:39 am

Great article, Tom. You may be interested in the ideas I promote in Destination Greatness - Creating a New Americanism.See www.thenewamericanism.com

Thanks!

Bob


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 8:36 am

Sam, have you ever imagined that there are those who look at situations and see them as political opportunities rather than actually doing something constructive?

The man you quote is a political opportunist who didn't do one damn thing constructive for racial and political tension for 8 years.

So spare me the twitter quotes.

He didn't do a thing, and I get it more than you think.


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Posted by MichaelB, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 8:37 am

<For the 8 years before Trump, the so-called ANTIFA ran rabid through universities and cities like Oakland and Berkeley destroying everything they could because they didn't like conservative political speech. And exactly who from the White house called them on it?>

I guess this must be Sam's version of a "real President" behaving?

Why didn't the White House not call them on it? Because they either politically agreed with them and/or thought it was "justified".


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:46 am

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at least Obama 'acted' presidential. Is it too much to ask Trump at least learn how to be presidential? I mean, really? Too much to ask?


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:08 am

Scott Hale: Isn't it presidential enough to call out racists and communists for the violence they perpetrate on one another?

Both groups have been destroying our culture with the willingness and blessing of our media and the political class for longer than Trumps been in office, yet somehow this is about Trump being presidential?

Please give the average voter some sense of why this is in anyway happening because of Trump not being "presidential"? And furthermore, please tell us why this happened when Obama, who Sam implies is the adult in the room, was in office?


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:28 am

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"Why do the Republicans have to take responsibility for the views and activities of White supremists (sic)?"

After yesterday's display of pique and idiocy, we know what the Republican President truly stands-for. Republicans Own those repulsive, anti-American positions - until they Disown them. There's no room in which to weasel-around on something this fundamental, this absolute. These are Defining Moments for us all - define yourself.

"For the 8 years before Trump, the so-called ANTIFA ran rabid through universities and cities like Oakland and Berkeley destroying everything they could ... "

Forget alternative facts - in what alternative universe did these things occur? Hell - I teach at a university, and not only was there never any rabid running, there was no "antifa" - a term I had to look-up this past weekend. The NYT had to define it for its readers. Apparently it is a made-up term for the hundreds of millions of Americans who are disgusted with those tiki-torch-toting trogs who emerged in Virginia. It gives the far-right a label to apply when they want to falsely claim equivalence. It's nonsense.

"But unless and until you accept free speech, even when objectionable, and stop identity politics, this is going to get a lot worse."

Free speech is a shield. In Charlottesville, it was used as a sword - or as a speeding Dodge sports car, or a club - take your pick. Free speech is not a license to incite violence. When the Klan/Nazis marched in heavily Jewish Skokie, we all held our noses and celebrated free speech. The alt-righties in Charlottesville were there for the mayhem, the headlines - in a local matter over which they had no legitimate say. The people of the town voted to remove that statue - end of story, unless the motivations were ulterior, which I think it's abundantly clear that they were. It put 'em on the map, now with the help of the Prez's bumblings, better than they ever could have hoped.

Using "free speech" to dignify that evil cabal distorts the concept beyond all recognition. If they ever gained any actual power, you would see how much respect they have for "free speech."


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Posted by American, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 12:22 pm

During President Obama's terms, the nightly news was full of far left groups in Baltimore, San Francisco, Oakland, and numerous other cities violently taking over streets, highways, & even bridges, protesting police brutality and other far left causes. The news was full of local merchants, ironically often minority families, who lost their store, business, and livelihood when violent protesters swarmed their communities. Chaos and anarchy followed these far left causes.

Under President Trump's term, we again had far left groups routinely captured on the news after the election, crossing the line from peaceful protests to violence and criminal destruction of property. It happened, it came into our living rooms on the local & national news, and to deny it occurred is refusing to face facts unpleasant to the left.

Unfortunately, we are now seeing sick, twisted, far right groups, also violently protesting and causing anarchy with their hate. It is disgusting behavior.

People tend to be in denial with the reality that it is far extreme groups on both sides that are causing the division and violence we are seeing spreading like a
cancer. President Trump is not solely responsible for this division, just like President Obama is not.

Until BOTH parties acknowledge their shortcomings and failures to properly and timely call out bad behavior by these extreme groups, things will only get worse.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 1:17 pm

@American :"....protesting police brutality and other far left causes."

Yes, how awful and un-American they are to be protesting police brutality. Why can't they just joke about it as President Trump did?


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 1:43 pm

I recommend that instead of attending any rallies that are likely to become violent, STAY home, Volunteer for a community service, Walk your dogs, Go on a group hike, Picnic with neighbors.

The upcoming rallies are intended to result in physical violence and possibly murder of innocent Ameicans.

I plan to do extra time at a few dog shelters, bath dogs, clean kennels, feed animals, etc.

Have a nice day.


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Posted by American, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 2:03 pm

@Sam, the problem was not peaceful protest regarding police brutality allegations, but rather the violent protests and criminal destruction of property done by the far left groups. That is the point.

@Cholo, I agree with you 100%! Stay away from protests, and go volunter at local animal shelters. There are also numerous clear the shelter adoption fairs going on, and spending time with a loving four legged friend would help ease tensions and help everyone realize there is still a lot of good in this world.


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Posted by Jake Waters, a resident of Birdland,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 2:20 pm

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@Tom

"After yesterday's display of pique and idiocy, we know what the Republican President truly stands-for. Republicans Own those repulsive, anti-American positions - until they Disown them. There's no room in which to weasel-around on something this fundamental, this absolute. These are Defining Moments for us all - define yourself"

I wasn't going to join in because I find these editorials a means to punish Republicans and Trump. The alt-left jumps in here and spews their anger led by the author. I find your comment that you wrote above to be insulting and provoking. You would have been better off refraining from further comment since you already wrote your feelings in your editorial.

Yes, These are defining moments Tom, and you certainly defined who you are. Another reason for me to avoid this section.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 2:47 pm

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I will wear it, and own it. Only the GOP can remove the incumbent; it's time to be counted.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 pm

"Only the GOP can remove the incumbent; it's time to be counted."

Remove him for what, exactly? Because he didn't pass your litmus test for not being sufficiently cowed by the left?

Totally absurd.

You have had a history of republicans kowtowing whenever the media creates a narrative that makes them look bad. In Trump, you have a politician that won't kowtow, so the media and establishment are going nuts.

Want proof? Just read the anti-Trump comments on this very thread, attempting to smear any discussion opposing their views. Want further proof? Go ahead and look at the last blog that Tom published where he maligned me and then tried to censor me.

Did I call him names? Did I belittle him? Nope. I just challenged his ideas.

So have at it Tom. I'm going to thoroughly enjoy Trumps reelection.


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Posted by Karl Aitken, a resident of Pleasanton Valley,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:01 pm

Nice blog Tom - thank you


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Posted by Kreuser, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:07 pm

Nazi neighbor. Web Link


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Posted by Reverse Racism, a resident of Old Towne,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:10 pm

Cholo - So you are judging all white people based on one man in office? Perfect example that white people are not the only racists in the world. Looks to me you are one as well - of course I'm assuming that based on your blog name you are not white.


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Posted by Carla, a resident of California Reflections,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:12 pm

Web Link Nazi


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Posted by SAMc, a resident of Downtown,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 pm

Mitch McConnell said it best today.."There are no good neo-Nazis". Defined: Even sympathizers of racists protesting in Charlottesville are not good people. A president trying to spin alt-right "good guys" marching in the streets is embarrassing. People on here allowing this man to muddle this distinction should be ashamed. It's not okay for our President to excuse the violent actions of racists.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:24 pm

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Resident: Why you insist on living in the past? Trump is Prez, Obama isn't; move on.

I think a majority of Americans would agree Trump hasn't been presidential since day one. The 'ave' middle class American certainly feels that way. And, yeah, his 'off the rails' rant yesterday showed clearly he is unhinged and unable to act presidential.

do tell us how you feel he has been presidential; I really need examples.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 5:06 pm

Res: not litmus, unless it stands for the model that fits his behavior: a severe narcissist with no 'safety' on the hair-trigger of his personal grievance meter, little impulse control, no interest in policy, no inclination to understand the world, no strategic sense beyond the next eruption, no fixed convictions, poor negotiation skills (only one move - the bully-bluff) and a deep, well-placed fixation and fear that the corruption chickens are on their way to his roost.

There are numerous examples of each if you're paying attention, instead of striving mightily to excuse each failure of fitness (it must be exhausting). The meticulous Mueller probe will bring him down, unless the alienated Congress and their donor-patrons do so first.

Harking way back up-page to the actual blog, he is the quintessence of a backward-looking politician. Big mistake.

As to your ruffled feathers, one prior-blog comment was very temporarily hidden-from-view in a case of probable mistaken identity - for which I apologize. Your comment was quickly restored when the mistake was realized; it persists there today.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 5:43 pm

reverse racism...please don't assume that I understand what you mean...duh...

tee hee hee...


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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 5:53 pm

Michael Austin is a registered user.

It was the republican party, Abe Lincoln, that freed the African slaves from the south plantation owners.

What was ongoing in that time period of American history was the continuing invasion of Indian lands, the ongoing slaughter, the ongoing rape, the ongoing murder of the American Indian men, women and their children.

When the slaughter ended, the survivors were corralled on "reservations" where they remain today at the point of extinction.

For Randolph Bourne and others back in the day, the American Indian Nation was irrelevant or of no interest to Randolph Bourne and others.

By way of their non interest, were they racist? Or, simply with no knowledge of reality?


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 7:33 pm

MA: here's all that was in the Bourne essay, pertaining to native Americans:

"We are all foreign-born or the descendants of foreign-born,and if distinctions are to be made between us, they should rightly be on some other ground than indigenousness. The early colonists came over with motives no less colonial than the later. They did not come to be assimilated in an American melting pot. They did not come to adopt the culture of the American Indian. They had not the smallest intention of 'giving themselves without reservation' to the new country. They came to get freedom to live as they wanted to. They came to escape from the stifling air and chaos of the old world; they came to make their fortune in a new land."

Pretty dismissive of American Indian culture, I'm afraid.


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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 7:58 pm

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Thank you Tom:

As stated above by Bourne, which, I did read all of it.

"They came to get freedom to live as they wanted".

That was the American Indian culture, "freedom to live as they wanted".


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 8:32 pm

"Free speech is a shield."

Yeah, that pesky 1st amendment. If we could just suspend it once, we be able to jail all sorts of people for saying the wrong things or practicing the wrong religion or protesting the government.

Saudi Arabia, here I come. 

"Free speech is not a license to incite violence." 

When/if the racists are arrested, charged and convicted with inciting violence, we'll all be happy, right?

 "The alt-righties in Charlottesville were there for the mayhem, the headlines - in a local matter over which they had no legitimate say." 

You forgot to say they were there 'legally', and that the town/mayor had approved it.  But that's just a detail, right?

In each of Trumps statements on the incident, he has denounced racism, bigotry and violence. This is a fact that continues to elude you, but go ahead, paint Trump as the problem and not the racist and communists who clashed. 


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Posted by SAMc, a resident of Downtown,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 9:22 pm

Communist?. Geez, lumping racist and communists as the bad guys is your retort? BTW, the two isms are not mutually exclusive. Liberals would have worked just as well as communist in your response since they are all the same. Right?

Denouncing the obvious is the easy part of being president. The hard part is convincing the majority that you empathize with victims when you speak. It doesn't help your case when the evil ideology of the perpetrators is lessened by stating they were some good racists in the group just trying to save a statue in a park. A woman died because of evil ideals and the perpetrator didn't kill because he was a communist or a liberal.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:03 pm

SAMc,

Trump absolutely never said there were "good racists" in any of his statements. Take your lies elsewhere.

And yes, I'm lumping both together. Don't like it, tough.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:49 pm

@Resident :"In each of Trumps statements on the incident, he has denounced racism, bigotry and violence."

You're just operating in outer space with no regard for the truth.


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Posted by SAMc, a resident of Downtown,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 7:03 am

Gingrich: 'Good People' Don't Join in Protests With Neo-Nazis. Sorry Resident, you're running out of allies on this one. If you can't get Gringrich on board who's left? Don't be left in the fringe on this one. We will welcome you back.


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Posted by Jake Waters, a resident of Birdland,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 7:58 am

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@Tom

'I will wear it, and own it. Only the GOP can remove the incumbent; it's time to be counted.'

Thank you Tom for being honest. I now know your bias and prejudice. Your column is nothing more than a liberal left and short sighted venue for you and your like-minded few that rant against anyone who disagrees with you. Good to know. I need not visit here again. Clicks and visitations is where you apparently find your validation.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 7:58 am

Sam:

Trumps 1st statement.

"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides."

Excerpt of Trumps 2nd statement

"...As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws;..."

Theres the truth you are seeking, Sam


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 8:02 am

SAMc:

Before you take the next step and accuse me of being a racist, I suggest you read, very carefully, everything I've written in this thread.

I've very clearly defended Trump. The racists and communist protesting that day can all rot in jail.

Be careful.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 8:22 am

Are you aware, Res, that those two statements were written by staffers for him too recite? Only the "on many sides," which he repeated for emphasis, was ad-libbed.

His Tower lobby news conference was mostly extemporaneous, and provides a much richer impression of what he will say that HE stands-for (at least this week, for as should be evident, those convictions change by the hour according to what best suits his ravenous narcissism).

We take in most of our impressions by watching, and listening to the speaker (e.g., it wasn't what Nixon Said that lost him the TV debate with JFK). Prez was clearly reading prepared text, and uncomfortable with what he was saying in those pre-prepared remarks - they were not who he is, and he could barely contain it then. He sounded like the hostage reading a false confession - which in a very real way he was.

He later escaped.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 8:49 am

Tom,

It would be enormously helpful if you would just indicate which parts of his statements that are so offensive to you? I understand that you think he is a philistine, but curiously, you keep relying on me to prove your accusation. In fact, all the commenters on this thread who denounce Trumps statement curiously don't say which parts of his statements they take umbrage to. Instead, they throw out the false claims that he's a "racist", "bigot"...etc.

I'm happy to discuss any evidence you put forward, but your emotion and intuition is not enough.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 8:54 am

Joey Gibson is the guy that is trying to secure a permit to hold a Patriot Prayer at Chrissy Field in San Francisco.

Web Link=_

Mayor Lee and Rep. Pelosi have spoken out against him.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 8:56 am

As should be blindingly obvious from my post, the words you quoted are okay, but it's just as obvious that he only read, and did not believe them.

So, how'd you like the blog?


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 9:04 am

Tom,

"We take in most of our impressions by watching, and listening to the speaker (e.g., it wasn't what Nixon Said that lost him the TV debate with JFK). "

You indicate very clearly here that a person can be bias against someone by nothing more than WHO THEY SEE, as opposed to WHAT THEY SAY.

Isn't this what racists do?








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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 9:07 am

Tom,

"So, how'd you like the blog?"

I've always liked your blog. I don't agree with you on anything, but I always read and liked your blog.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 9:55 am

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What a bunch of nonsense. Trump won't really condemn too much because he fears he will lose 'more' of his base. He likes the Nazi(ish) leaning people because they vote for him. And that is because he knows he'll lose the next election if he completely loses his base (he's well on his way).

Off topic: I really wish the publisher would lose the silly unregistered AOL child like screen names. Must be nice to hide. In person, a bump on a log, aye?


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 10:37 am

@Resident :"Sam: Trumps 1st statement. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.""

Nope, you said that he "denounced racism...,", but nowhere in that statement or in any statement he made on that Saturday was there any denunciation of racism or even any acknowledgement that there was any racism involved in the protests. In fact, Trump totally ignored the fact that many of the people on one side were KKK and white supremist racists. His statement drew a moral equivalence between the two sides.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 10:42 am

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Scott - the only good thing about anonymity is that you do get more, often baser, candor. There are people who wouldn't post at all if they would have to be identified with their comments. It does get a little lonely as one of the few who Must self-ID in the by-line - I certainly respect others who needn't, but do.

Anyway, I'm guessing that Gina will take note of your viewpoint. In instances where trolling is rampant, she'll sometimes close Commenting by unregistered readers, and we both have ended it entirely if/as/when threads arrive at silly season.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 10:47 am

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Res - we all observe differences. For the racist, that's the end of the story, but in civilized America that's just the beginning. It makes all the difference in the world.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 10:49 am

Want to know just how dishonest and crooked the politicians are regarding events over the weekend?

Here's Terry McAuliffe on Monday regarding weapons cache seizures: "They had battering rams and we had picked up different weapons that they had stashed around the city," McAuliffe told Mckesson.

Now contrast this to what a spokesperson for the VA State police, Corrine Geller said:
"The governor was referring to the briefing provided him in advance of Saturday's rally and the extra security measures being taken by local and state police," Geller tells Reason. "As a safety precaution in advance of August 12, such searches were conducted in and around Emancipation and McIntire Parks. No weapons were located as a result of those searches."

She did a terrible job trying to cover up his lie, but in the end had to tell the truth.

Like I said earlier, the state politicians are partially responsible for what happened that day. The evidence speaks for itself.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 11:33 am

Clean cut Nazi's: Web Link

Can anybody identify these extremists. I'm sending photos of them to law enforcement agencies and newspapers. Thank You.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 11:34 am

Sam,

Trumps 2nd statement included these nuggets:

"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's RACIST violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered."

"As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws; we all salute the same great flag; and we are all made by the same almighty God."

"We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must discover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

"We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law, and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America."

"In times such as these, America has always shown its true character, responding to hate with love, division with unity, and violence with an unwavering resolve for justice. As a candidate, I promised to restore law and order to our country, and our federal law-enforcement agencies are following through on that pledge. We will spare no resource in fighting so that every American child can grow up free from violence and fear. We will defend and protect the sacred rights of all Americans, and we will work together so that every citizen in this blessed land is free to follow their dreams in their hearts and to express the love and joy in their souls.
Thank you. God bless you, and God bless America."

Pretty unequivocal about his view of racism and bigotry.

Thanks.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 11:41 am

Scott Hale is a registered user.

tom: I have been online a very, very long time and the absolute fact is many users hide behind their keyboard and they become something they aren't in real 3D life. They type things they would never ever say in public to anyone. In that safety of using a child like AOL screen name they become brave. Plus, here you have the 'unregistered' so even the publisher doesn't know much beyond an IP, which by itself is not worth a lot.
I remember the days of Prodigy and GEnie where the boards were monitored and boy did some users come unglued at that. Oh well, think it worked better.

If you have an opinion when you hide behind a screen name it is not much of an opinion.

Now back to the Trump never ending bickering......


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 11:41 am

Tom,

A good number of the people I know don't judge based on how someone looks.

But again, it's helps knowing that you do and have self-identified as such.

We can go back to talking about the substance of what Trump said or the more boring topic of what you and his detractors think he meant anytime you'd like. I'm just not that interested in how he looks.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 11:47 am

Sam,

Just stating he gave a moral equivalence is too vague. What exactly was he trying to compare?

Give me his words and let's dissect. Otherwise, you're just giving an opinion with no basis in fact.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 12:05 pm

@Resident :"Sam, Trumps 2nd statement included these nuggets:"

His second statement? OK, so you want to concede the point that he didn't not condemn racism in his first statement and want to move on to his second statement on Charlottesville? Very good. We're slowly making some progress.

Yes, in Trump's second, scripted announcement about Charlottesburg in which his staff was trying to frantically do some serious damage control after Trump's disasterous performance on Saturday, Trump did mouth sentences off a script (perhaps with the aid of a teleprompter) in which he sounded superficially Presidential. It was a wooden performance and lacked sincerity, but it said the right words which is why you point to it and not his disasterous off-script but sincere third announcement on Charlottesville in which he went back to just saying that there was "blame on both sides" without making any mention of the fact that KKK members and other white supremacists of one side were involved in the conflict.

Bottom line is your statement that "In each of Trumps statements on the incident, he has denounced racism, bigotry and violence." is totally false. He said nothing about racism in his first statement on Saturday, then tried to patch things up with his second scripted statement on Monday, and then he went off-script again on Tuesday with no words about racism or the KKK or white supramacists but simply "blaming both sides".


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 12:12 pm

@Resident :"Give me his words and let's dissect. Otherwise, you're just giving an opinion with no basis in fact."

Come on, "Resident". My aim here isn't to try to personally convince you that Trump was been weak on condemning racism. We both know that you're not going to change your mind about Trump. No, my aim here is to expose and correct your factual distortions for the benefit of the other readers here.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm

Tom Cushing is a registered user.

Scott - that's what I meant about 'candor,' putting the best face on it that I can.

I was a Mod on fark.com for several years. Fun; interesting slice of life; really good staff and great parties. On-line IDs were often hilarious in themselves, as befits the site, and they tended to acquire a 'secondary meaning' or personality, like a TM. Also, most folks understood the behavior standard of "enjoy the party; don't make us throw you out," but there are always a few who just have to push on the limits, as there have been here. I learned to warn once and then dis-invite.

System there and here not air-tight, but generally adequate, although sometimes I think I should be compensated/comment . :-)


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 12:42 pm

Hi Scott,

As a related experiment to your screen name idea...try placing a "Trump/Pence" bumper sticker on your car and drive around the bay area for a week. Report back and let us know how it goes..

Thanks in advance,
RS


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm

Sam,

"Come on, "Resident". My aim here isn't to try to personally convince you that Trump was been weak on condemning racism. We both know that you're not going to change your mind about Trump. No, my aim here is to expose and correct your factual distortions for thE. Enifit of the readers here"

Whew! For a second there I thought you were going to educate the readiers with actual evidence.

Please proceed.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 1:04 pm

Tom Cushing is a registered user.

Res et al.: it's Not Too Late! Web Link


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm

Recent Trump tweet:

"Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!"

Read this very carefully and understand what he's really saying here. In context, he's simply stating that if you condone violence against one group of extremists, then you have no moral authority to decry the use of violence against any other.

For those of you who want to change the 1st amendment over this last weekend, remember, this is the logical conclusion to what you desire.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 1:15 pm

Tom,

A New Yorker that voted for Trump?

This literally is worth nothing.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 1:48 pm

Tom Cushing is a registered user.

Res - with that NY voter's switch, it's now nearly unanimous there, too. C'mon over.

And I am busy, but the Pershing story is false, per scopes and everybody else. DiJiTs is no student of history, or anything else. Somebody prolly told him, though, so it's their fault. And you need to study-up on what the First Amendment is, and isn't.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 2:22 pm

Tom,

My greater point stands. As you eliminate one group, they'll be another group to eliminate after that.

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao all prove this point.

Inconvenient facts are still facts.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 4:45 pm

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"My greater point stands."

Okay, so the truth Doesn't matter this time - a fable will do. Got it.

Sorry - it's tough to keep up.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 5:43 pm

Southern Poverty Law Center:

Web Link


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 7:14 pm

The irony here is that the alt-Right including the KKK and other white supremacists are the ones who are causing all of these Civil War statues to be taken down. They are the ones who have made these previously uncontroversial statues to be associated with white supremacy and the KKK by claiming these statues as symbols of their movements. That's a shame. I spent some time traveling about the South many years ago, and it was nice to see some of these statues of Civil War figures that I had read about in history books. No one I knew had any problems with them. They were statues of a bygone era that had become romanticized over time, and I think that most people just accepted them as being neutral symbols of the South. What a shame that the alt-Right chose to make them symbols of hate and racism.


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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 7:27 pm

Michael Austin is a registered user.

Sam:

You do not have a clue as to why those statues were erected, the intended purpose for the statues being where they are

I recommend that you research the history behind the statues that were erected and why they were erected. If you do the research, I expect you will come away somewhat embarrassed with your uninformed comment above.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 7:41 pm

@Michael

You have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions. I am aware of the history of when these statues were built. I haven't forgotten that history any more than I've forgotten the history of the Civil War itself. Still, my point remains: Oner time these statues had become more neutral in meaning and less controversial. They had become a part of the landscape. It was only when the alt-Right started claiming these statues as symbols of their hatred and racism that these recent problems began.


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Posted by BobB, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood,
on Aug 17, 2017 at 9:27 pm

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@Sam,

The Stone Mountain carving in Atlanta has been a problem for decades. When I was there in the mid eighties there were Klan rallies and protests.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 8:27 am

Tom,

Once again you missed (or more likely avoid) the greater point.




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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 10:19 am

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Look Res - there's how I personally feel as an American citizen, and how I feel as a lawyer. Neither should be any surprise.

As a lawyer, I treasure the First Amendment as the surest protector of our American liberties from tyranny (including nazi tyranny). Political speech, in particular, must be protected (although I don't believe money = speech, as I've written in the RC repeatedly and then some more - that's not at-issue here). I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU, and if the klan and the nazis want to assemble Peaceably, protecting That right is the surest way to ensure the rights of Everyone are protected (The key word is Peaceably). And that is true, despite, and even Because of the Obvious fact that Freedom of Speech for Others is distinctly against everything They stand-for. I would defend their First Amendment rights, because as a lawyer I swore an oath so to do.

As an American citizen, I oppose what they Actually Stand-for with every fiber of my being. They are distinctly Not just 'another group' - they are evil incarnate. There is no relativism here - they are ABsolutely Evil, a scourge and a cesspool of hate. Utterly unAmerican - hell, utterly ANTI-American. Terrorists. I will not Normalize them.

Please don't give me "they had a permit." They had a permit to assemble peaceably. Unless you are willfully, ridiculously blind, you know that was never their intention - it did not serve their purposes, and it does not fit their many pistols. Moral leadership requires their absolute denunciation, first, last, and always.

And don't ask me to compare nazis to your recently made-up word for The Left. That is normalizing nazis, who command their own exclusive province in the deepest, darkest circle of hell. It serves no purpose; they are sui generis - uniquely abhorrent.


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 10:37 am

I've read that Communist regimes were responsible for 100 million deaths in the 20th century.


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Posted by Messel, a resident of Carlton Oaks,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 10:46 am

UPDATE: Steve Bannon Fired - Web Link


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 11:00 am

Wow, Bannon is out.

Must be some champagne corks popping at Goldman Sachs right now..and I betcha they drink only the good stuff!


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 1:36 pm

Steve Bannon out? Not even the most fervent, most deluded Trump supporter can possibly spin this as being a positive development. The fumble over Charlottesville and now this. And we're only about 7 months or 15% of the way through Trump's 4 year Presidency. Can Trump make it through the remaining 85%? Can America?


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Posted by SAMc, a resident of Downtown,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 1:59 pm

The House of Cards has lost its mighty king.


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Posted by Messel, a resident of Carlton Oaks,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 2:55 pm

Web Link

The above folks that have been FIRED! Who is next...take a guess!!!


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Posted by Anony, a resident of Civic Square,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 4:58 pm

Senator Bob Corker: Web Link


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Posted by Mnuchin, a resident of another community,
on Aug 18, 2017 at 5:07 pm

Mnuchin urged to resign by Yale classmates: Web Link


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 19, 2017 at 10:33 am

The Swamp Strikes Back

Ironic this coincides with the announcement of more troops heading to Afghanistan


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Posted by Mendel, a resident of California Somerset,
on Aug 19, 2017 at 12:33 pm

White Supremacist Panics?

Web Link


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 19, 2017 at 7:25 pm

Though I'm not a big believer in polls, I find this poll from Rasmussen utterly confusing: Web Link

Quote from the poll: "Despite the media furor over what the president did and did not say following last weekend's incident in Virginia, his approval ratings appear little changed."

If this poll is accurate, and I'm not sure it is, this is awful news for the left.

Couple this with any positive news regarding the Russian delusion and this could spell a disaster for the dems.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 19, 2017 at 8:11 pm

@Resident

Yeah, sure "Resident. Good point. Trump really has the Democrats on the ropes now.

:-)


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 19, 2017 at 8:57 pm

Sam,

Just like Clinton had him by 95% on the last day before the election.

I love waking up knowing that you guys STILL can't figure out how he did it.



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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 20, 2017 at 9:21 am

"I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It"
by Julius Krein

....................
"From the very start of his run, one of the most serious charges against Mr. Trump was that he panders to racists. Many of his supporters, myself included, managed to convince ourselves that his more outrageous comments " such as the Judge Gonzalo Curiel controversy or his initial hesitance to disavow David Duke's endorsement " were merely Bidenesque gaffes committed during the heat of a campaign."

"It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves. Either Mr. Trump is genuinely sympathetic to the David Duke types, or he is so obtuse as to be utterly incapable of learning from his worst mistakes. Either way, he continues to prove his harshest critics right."

"Mr. Trump once boasted that he could shoot someone in the street and not lose voters. Well, someone was just killed in the street by a white supremacist in Charlottesville. His refusal this weekend to specifically and immediately denounce the groups responsible for this intolerable violence was both morally disgusting and monumentally stupid. In this, Mr. Trump failed perhaps the easiest imaginable test of presidential leadership. Rather than advance a vision of national unity that he claims to represent, his indefensible equivocation can only inflame the most vicious forces of division within our country."

NYTimes: Web Link

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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 20, 2017 at 10:17 am

Sam,

We discussed this above.

The authors vote from New York meant diddly.

Electoral college. Sorry.


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Posted by tee hee, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School,
on Aug 20, 2017 at 11:21 am

Somebody is looking mighty worried!!!

Web Link


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 20, 2017 at 11:45 am

Scott Hale is a registered user.

Time for this to be ended abruptly.....hint hint


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 20, 2017 at 6:56 pm

Very interesting article from hometown favorite Scott Adams.

Web Link

Would love to get comment from the lefties on this thread.

My prediction: you'll attack Adams and not the content.



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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 20, 2017 at 8:39 pm

I looked at the Scott Adams link. I didn't read all of his essay, though, because I think that he went off the rails early in it when he started saying that people in a "mass hysteria" believe that a "racist President" was elected. That was a straw man argument. Haven't read any essay that suggested that Trump is racist or heard anyone say that he is racist. What I have heard and what I personally believe is that he just doesn't care. He couldn't care less about race issues in the United States. It's just not a subject that interests him. That's probably not the worst of all possible mindsets for a private citizen to have, but it's pretty bad for the President of the United States to have such a mindset. A President is supposed to lead and give voice to the moral concerns of the vast majority of Americans, and by failing to condemn white supremacy and the KKK Donald Trunp failed the test of moral leaderership.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 11:24 am

Sam,

It's obvious that you didn't give the article any reading past the first couple of paragraphs because had you done so, you would have read this:

"If you already believed President Trump is a racist, his weak statement about Charlottesville seems like confirmation. But if you believe he never offered moral leadership, only equal treatment under the law, that's what you saw instead. And you made up your own mind about the morality. 
The tricky part here is that any interpretation of what happened could be confirmation bias. But ask yourself which one of these versions sounds less crazy:
1. A sitting president, who is a branding expert, thought it would be a good idea to go easy on murderous Nazis as a way to improve his popularity.
or...
2. The country elected a racist leader who is winking to the KKK and White Supremacists that they have a free pass to start a race war now.
or...
3. A mentally unstable racist clown with conman skills (mostly just lying) eviscerated the Republican primary field and won the presidency. He keeps doing crazy, impulsive racist stuff. But for some reason, the economy is going well, jobs are looking good, North Korea blinked, ISIS is on the ropes, and the Supreme Court got a qualified judge. It was mostly luck.
or...
4. The guy who didn't offer to be your moral leader DIDN'T OFFER ANY MORAL LEADERSHIP, just law and order, applied equally. His critics cleverly and predictably framed it as being soft on Nazis."

I find it interesting that the left is constantly telling the right that we should keep our morals to ourselves, and now suddenly, you want a moral President. 
I, and obviously many people, didn't vote for Trump because of his morals.
So the question I have for you is, to which of the 4 versions above do you fit in?


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 11:28 am

I don't believe that it's too much to ask that President Trump not be so filthy.

Web Link

Signed.

P y


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Posted by Mendi, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 11:43 am

N: Web Link


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 12:17 pm

@Resident

I prefer to use my own words to express my ideas rather than being pigeonholed into a pre-selected set of options. I already expressed my beliefs about Trump in my previous post. Wasn't it clear enough where I stand? If not, re-read it.

As for not reading Scott Adams' essay in its entirety, sorry but he lost me when he set up the straw man argument of suggesting that people opposed to Trump on this issue were in a "mass hysteria" and all thought that Trump was a "racist President". I think that there's a lesson there for essay writers: If you use straw man arguments by trying to present all who oppose your viewpoint as all holding an extreme view, then you alienate a lot of readers and lose credibility.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 5:40 pm

Scott Hale is a registered user.

oh, Trump isn't a racist. He just knows they are a big part of his base and they vote. ditto nazi leaning thinking crud. They vote for him, so why shame a group he won with? Simple math. He loses them, well, he's more done than he is now.


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 6:59 pm

Scott instead of tossing out lame generalities, how about if you estimate the % of his total base that falls into those hate groups? Enlighten us.


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 7:22 pm

I'm very uneasy about the additional troops heading to Afghanistan

However the mention of the change to ROE's and calling out Pakistan's double dealing (which gets our people killed) was quite refreshing to say the least after 8 years of a politician-led war in Afghanistan.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 7:54 pm

Scott Hale is a registered user.

Lame ScreenName: I'd say all the readers of Breitbart, or at least those who really believe in that web site.


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 8:08 pm

C'mon Scott you're better than that

You stated racists/nazis are a "big part" of Trump's base. Educate us on what % we're talking about


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 21, 2017 at 9:55 pm

@"Respectful Suggestion"

Interesting question. What percentage of Americans hold racist views and how would one actually measure that percentage? I found a PBS article which presented a poll in which white respondents were asked questions to determine what percentage of them agreed with racist/bigoted sentiments such as "black people are lazy" or "black people are unintelligent". It turned out that about 20% to 25% of the respondents agreed with the statements. That's a significant number and I think that it's safe to say that most of them would probably be Trump supporters rather than Hillary supporters. Since the level of support for Trump among whites is in the range of 40%, and since that 40% probably contains most of that 20% to 25% of white people who hold racist/bigoted views, it would appear that Trump does indeed have very good reasons to worry about losing the support of those whites.

PBS.org: "The Hidden Racism of Young White Americans": Web Link

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Posted by American, a resident of Danville,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 7:07 am

@Sam: You latest comment makes some interesting points. Although nobody likes to admit it, most people have some sort of bias or stereotype about other groups. Diversity training experts will tell you that it actually may be inherent in all of us, and go back to the dinosaur times when survival depended on immediately labeling a potential threat based on appearance or other traits of others. It is in your DNA, whether you like it or not. But what is important is how you act, react to this internal wiring.

If you make a conscious effort to put your wiring aside, and follow the Golden Rule and treat everyone the way you would want to be treated, and as MLK J.R. said, judge people on their character and not on the color of their skin, than we beat bigotry and racism together. This applies to everyone and every group. Hence, all groups need to call out all groups, not just Caucasians, for racism and bigotry and stereotypes. If groups like Black Lives Matters have rallies and people are doing chants about killing white cops, than everyone of every race needs to speak out, and let them know it is wrong. If the KKK and other sick hate groups have rallies, than everyone, including white people, need to speak out and let them know it is wrong.

I think Trump mishandled the Charlotte tragedy, although later he finally said the correct thing. But when he says the correct thing, we need everyone to acknowledge and applaud his comments. Attacking his comments, as being written by someone else, or being insincere, does not help fight racism and stereotypes, as it only deepens the divide. If he is attacked no matter what he does(like many on this blog like to do), than it perpetrates the division and racism wins. You do not have to like him, or vote for him, but if he actually says the correct thing, than acknowledge it, and praise his words. Words matter, and words will continue after he is no longer in office, and the correct words will help beat the continuation of division and racism.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 8:17 am

@American

OK, I haven't been following the BLM movement closely but I've heard of these accusations before about BLM being a violent organization that advocates the killing of police. I've always been skeptical of the claim that the organization or a significant number of the BLM protesters would engage in such chants (as opposed to just the isolated nut cases who always pop up at any large protests), but since you just repeated that claim I decided to do some fact checking. Based on the following Snopes article, my opinion now is that the BLM movement as a whole has been unfairly smeared and evidence has been sometimes deliberately distorted against them. (Snopes article: Web Link ). Furthermore, when I look at pictures of BLM protesters, I don't see just a blacks. I see blacks and people of other races who are all concerned with problems with police misconduct, and they look like they are gathered for peaceful protests. There's not a massive wave of shields, clubs, helmets, or other objects which would indicate that they're geared up to commit violence. The KKK and the white supremacists at Charlottesville, on the other hand, were groups that were geared up to commit violence, and there are numerous pictures on the internet showing them with shields, clubs, and helmets, as well as videos of a large group of them marching and angrily shouting "Jews will not replace us!". How dare you try to equate BLM and the KKK/white supremacist movement.

As for Trump's comments, I'm sorry but if he makes a scripted speech on Monday condemning the KKK and white supremacists on Monday, but then comes back the very next day and reverses himself by saying "both sides are to blame" in an unscripted interaction with reporters, then that tells me a lot about Trump's true thinking and that I shouldn't give his scripted speeches much weight. In case you haven't noticed it by now, Donald Trump is a very deeply flawed individual, and this is yet another example of that.


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Posted by Jake Waters, a resident of Birdland,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 11:40 am

Jake Waters is a registered user.

@Sam

Try this link to have a historical view of BLM: Web Link


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 12:11 pm

@Jake Waters

I never click on unknown links offered on internet forums without checking them out first. When I hovered my mouse over your offered web link, I saw that it referred to some website called "discover the networks". On investigating further, I found that this website is a far-right website run by the David Horowitz Freedom Center which is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as not only far-right but also an anti-Muslim hate group. So I'm going to have to respectfully decline to click on the link. I don't consider the website to be a credible source of information on BLM or any other subject.

If, on the other hand, you have some information to offer on BLM from a credible, mainstream news source, then I'm fine with reading and considering that.


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 3:35 pm


See folks how Sam cuts BLM a break with their "isolated nut cases" - however when it comes to Trump supporters it's simply "safe to say" huge numbers of them are racist and/or nazi sympathizers based on a study from NPR.

Sam - you do understand this type of talk helped get Trump elected in the first place?

By the way, you may want to do a bit more homework on the trustworthiness of the SPLC..


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Posted by Respectful Suggestion, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 3:38 pm

Trump had better be prepared for the scrutiny from the media with the new Afghanistan policy..especially given the establishment media has been in a serious SLUMBER over the past 8 years with coverage on the Afghanistan "war."
They are fired up and ready to GO!!!


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Posted by anony, a resident of Apperson Ridge,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 4:07 pm

Horowitz at Breitbart: Web Link


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 4:48 pm

@"Respectful Suggestion"

Actually, it's a PBS website, not NPR. But if you don't like PBS or NPR then there is also the following study:

"3 in 10 strong Trump supporters accept or are indifferent to white supremacist views"

Washington Post: Web Link

So to sum up: I was getting a rough figure of approximately 50% of Trump supporters being racist or bigoted, but I would attach big error bars with that number because of the approximations and assumptions made. The linked Washington Post article makes a good case for about 30% of Trump supporters being bigoted or having very serious problems with racial issues, which is probably more accurate. So about 30% it is.

Finally, what was that supposed to mean when you wrote "you do understand this type of talk helped get Trump elected in the first place?"? You're suggesting that many Trump voters may have been motivated to vote for him because of racial issues? Seems that you just scored an "own goal" to me. Thank you.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 7:30 pm

So now we have over 14m Trump voters who Sam agrees are racist.

If you need to confirm your bias' then how much easier can it be than to read something that you already believe.

Nice going Sam.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 8:11 pm

@Resident :So now we have over 14m Trump voters who Sam agrees are racist."

Well, let's play with some numbers, Resident. About 7% of Americans polled believe that the Apollo 11 moon landings were fake. Now the population of the US is about 320 million, and about 3/4 of those people are adults, so that means around 240 million adults. So 7% of that works out to roughly 17 million who believe that the moon landings were fake. A number like 14 million doesn't seem so unbelievably large anymore, does it?


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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 8:14 pm

Michael Austin is a registered user.

Tom Cushing:

Many of the ultra left liberal democratic establishment consider themselves to be victims. Knowing you are an attorney and supported Hillary and the democratic party as it currently exists.

Do you consider yourself to be a victim?
If so, will you explain why?
if not, will you explain why?




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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 8:20 pm

@Michael Austin

It's not a battle between the "ultra left liberal establishment" and Trump. There are now many Republicans arrayed against Trump. Heck, even Steve Bannon and Breitbart are coming out against Trump.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 8:27 pm

Michael Austin is a registered user.

Sam:

Take a hike out of here:

I directed my question to Tom Cushing.
I am not interested with the battle you are having!

Tom Cushing is a friend of mine.
I enjoy reading his written opinion.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 8:57 pm

@Michael Austin

Sorry, Michael, I have as much a right to express my opinions here as you do. If you don't like that, then you're welcome to take a hike.


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Posted by Jake Waters, a resident of Birdland,
on Aug 22, 2017 at 11:07 pm

@Sam

You are very funny Sam. I love what you wrote: "I saw that it referred to some website called "discover the networks". On investigating further, I found that this website is a far-right website run by the David Horowitz Freedom Center which is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as not only far-right but also an anti-Muslim hate group."

The Southern Poverty Law Center is an illegitimate far left organization that is 'the pot calling the kettle black.' They are out to label everyone who doesn't agree with them as hate groups. David Horowitz back in the 70's was as left as you can find until the Black Panthers (whom he worked for at the time) killed his friend, their bookkeeper. That is when he woke up and became a Republican. BLM is nothing more than a racist organization of hate. You know this.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 23, 2017 at 2:48 pm

HI Mike...I agree. Some folks are entitled and believe that their opinion counts more than yours. Keep up the good work!

As for the jake, he can take a spin!


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Posted by Abraham L., a resident of Avignon,
on Aug 24, 2017 at 4:10 pm

PS Stay away from the Nazi rally at Chrissy Field on Saturday. It's going to be quite heated and full of hot heads.

Stay away from Berkeley. It's gonna get nasty...fast.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Aug 25, 2017 at 4:31 pm

CHRISSY FIELD NAZI EVENT CANCELLED

Web Link

It's time to celebrate.


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Posted by Adam009, a resident of Diablo,
on Oct 6, 2017 at 4:26 am

The linked Washington Post article makes a good case for about 30% of Trump supporters being bigoted or having very serious problems with racial issues Web Link , which is probably more accurate. So about 30% it is.


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Posted by Adam009, a resident of Diablo,
on Oct 19, 2017 at 9:07 am

Adam009 is a registered user.

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Posted by update, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Oct 25, 2017 at 4:15 pm

lmao

Hillary was in league with Russians on Trump wee wee dossier

can't make this up, too funny


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