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Sound and Fury over Vile and Slur-ry

Uploaded: Jan 12, 2018

This is a day when I feel like Michael Corleone, not out of guilt or self-delusion, but because of my tattered New Year’s Resolution.

You see, I promised myself that in 2018 I would Not fall into the daily outrage distraction trap. Instead, I would look behind the surface blather and twittage, examining the real significance of Trump administration actions.

They are happening, after all, and they’re awful (unless you prefer, on your stroll down the Carmel Beach, to dodge tarballs and drink-in the sweet bouquet of heavy crude). I’ve also been musing about other topics – like the GOP’s flexible federalism, the French rejoinder to the #metoo movement, and the weird imprecision of the term “populist.” Maybe I could bother you with those topics?

Fat chance. Like the doomed gangster in Godfather 3, just when I resolve to get out, I get myself dragged back in.

I needn’t repeat the language, nor wonder whether to veil it in hyphenation. You've heard it - it was crude; it was repulsive. It was deeply insulting. It is racist beyond denial, and it flies in the face of the very ideals and promise of America. It endorsed the worst demons of our history - those times when the ideal has eluded us. The president revealed himself once-and-for-all time to be homegrown wretched refuse - a pig in the worst human sense (sorry, pigs).

With THAT off my chest, as with last week's epistle, the question again remains – does it matter? After all, he has foreshadowed such antipathies from the outset with his Mexican rapists, and maintained that tone throughout, as in defense of those very fine Charlottesville nazis.

It may matter specifically if it prompts the Congress to send him bi-partisan immigration reform of exactly the kind that provoked his verbal dysentery (the more veto-proof the better). Of course, he’d find a way to take credit for bringing the Parties together, but it would really be a signal legislative achievement – as well as an appropriate rebuke.

More generally, it may shave another point-or-two from his dismal approval rating, and incent a few more incumbent retirements. But that said, his stolid base has already perfected the arts of deflection and defending the preposterous, so it probably will not crumble under this new insult. It is a good bet to further inflate the throngs in Walnut Creek and SF at the second Women’s March on January 20, although nothing short of a national strike seems likely to bring about fundamental personnel change.

But maybe that’s just me – what do you think? Is THIS the point of no return? Or is it just more of the same, worse only by degree? Or are you okay with it (anonymously or for attribution)? Will there be consequences for Trump’s presidency, his agenda, his majorities?

Or not, and why?

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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 2:01 pm

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Not sure why peoples' heads are exploding. It was vintage Trump. If the 48% of the people who voted for him didn't know he was a racist or had heavy racist habits, then they really really had no business voting to begin with.

Where heads should explode is why congress does nothing. Already GOP congressional members in the meeting are denying what was said or saying they don't 'recall'. Really? Only Democrats can hear and remember something a few hours later? Right.

In the least congress should censure him. Doesn't mean much, but Trump's head will explode....

Next week it will be something else. Crisis a day, hour, minute. And Congress will still do nothing. Cowards, the lot of them.

If any GOP defenders are proud of Trump, well, they need to pull their heads from the sand and look around. You are clearly a minority.


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Posted by Whetherman, a resident of Birdland,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 2:24 pm

Forecast for the DC area: Stormy!


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 5:09 pm

I have no problem if the President used those words. He's right and you know it, and if you don't know it, it's because you've never left the US and been to a 3rd world country.

Funny how you libs get so moralistic when you have literally no political power.


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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 5:40 pm

I believe that President Trump will continue to behave offensively and he'll eventually be held accountable for the havoc he wreaks upon the psyches of others.

There are countless healthy Americans that behave respectfully toward others and the nastiness that we witness daily will come to an end.

I look forward to celebrating the findings of Mr. Mueller.

VIVA AMERICA! GORA!







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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 6:01 pm

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I know sweet-fark-all nothing, NOTHING of the sort, and I am bloody tired of your ridiculous attempts to claim otherwise. This issue is precisely about morals, and about values, and about what we stand-for as a People. Nothing less. And yes - I've been to those places and I know some of their people, and if you were to go with an open mind, you could learn an awful lot, as I and my daughters have, together and separately.

And here's the power that I have: I have every citizen's power to stand-up and refuse to accept that this bigotry represents my America. I have the power to write, to speak up, to volunteer, to contribute and to march against that morally dissolute ignoramus, and to turn him and his apologists out at the polls. You may choose to wallow with him - that's your right. But I view this time as a test of America's character, and before I'll accept your version of it, I'll join with millions to exercise our power.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 6:04 pm

@Resident

You think that Ireland of the 1840's with its famine and starvation wasn't a “s-hole"? You think that China in the mid-1800's wasn't? You think that the German immigrants of the 1700's weren't escaping from a “s-hole"? (a famine of 1708-1711 over there wiped out about 40% or 250,000 people in East Prussia). Don't know what gold-plated limousine your ancestors arrived at this country in, but FYI the story of this country is of people escaping from their own “s-hole" conditions in their native countries and coming to this country in search of freedom and opportunity.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 8:05 pm

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SillyScreenName#1: he's right about what? That he only wants whites who make north of $100k to emigrate to the USA? That he doesn't want brown or black people escaping to a better place? Really?

And where did your ancestors come from and how much $$ did they have? Unless you are 100% American Indian, your kin came over on the boat too...or maybe a plane. You might be new. /s

Lot's to be proud of w Trump, huh.


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Posted by Nathan, a resident of Bonde Ranch,
on Jan 12, 2018 at 9:06 pm

At the end of day, borders are a rather archaic notion anyway...

Fire away at me haters, go ahead


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Posted by 8th generation American , a resident of Downtown,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 12:48 am

My family came from humble beginnings in a ****hole country as well. We have done well,surely valuable citizens.

The morally corrupt who see no wrong in trump deserve whatever ills come their way from job losses to losing medical insurance. Their heads are firmly buried in the sand and there is no abomination that trump can commit that will change their minds. Nothing about those people makes them valuable citizens. No matter their economic wealth, their moral wealth is bankrupt.

No amount of gun violence will cause this country to take any action to stop it. No amount of Ill behavior, or indeed dangerous behavior, will cause these mentally corrupt people to cease their support for a person who is clearly incompetent and evil.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a DanvilleSanRamon.com blogger,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 7:36 am

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Note to Damon: your post raises some interesting points about the bullet train, and it would be fine as a topic of its own in the Town Square. Here, however, it represents a distraction and a deflection from the subject of the blog.

Feel free to email me if you want it back to post elsewhere.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a DanvilleSanRamon.com blogger,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 8:10 am

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Note to MichaelB - this blog and thread are not about gun violence, which was a tangential remark in a prior post. Feel free to post it in the Town Square or elsewhere.


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Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 8:46 am

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The bottom line for Mr. Cushing is that if one tries to defend the president, that person is a racist. This is always a good way to start a discussion.

Socrates once said that "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

Those Democrats who call Republicans racist need to look in the mirror. The Democrat party was founded on racism, promoted racism and discrimination throughout its history and continues to do so today, albeit in more subtle ways.

Calling Republicans racists is an attempt to cover up its own well documented racist history.


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Posted by Michael Austin, a resident of Pleasanton Meadows,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 9:09 am

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Speaking of morals, values:

The immigrants and pioneers that swept across this country stealing the land from its occupants, slaughtering the children, raping the women, had no morals or values.

They were too busy exploiting their greed.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 9:38 am

Oh Doug, really - that's your argument?

1 - the Prez has staked-out the lowest possible ground (so far) - All on His Own. Anyone who supports him clear choices - wallow with him (like Res), or pull him from his muck, if you can (good luck with that), or explain why it doesn't matter.

2 - Socrates? Debate lost?? Slander??? None of that makes any sense here, except as an untethered sound bite.

3 - Washington owned slaves, as did Jefferson who fathered many children with his: the point being ... Nothing. Party histories are not part of this debate, except if you endorse them. After all, the GOP was once the Party of Lincoln, who would not recognize this current incarnation.

4 - so 'Subtle racism' is a Big Problem, and should consume us all - but Blatant racism - well, who cares? It gets a pass with you? Okay, let's focus on jaywalkers, shall we - and only those who've Never jaywalked get to take a position. Meanwhile, bank robbers go free?


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 10:23 am

@Doug Miller

Oak Hill Sam once said “When the debate is lost, deflection becomes the tool of the loser."

Try directly defending Trump's words without deflecting off onto topics of ancient history, “Hillary", etc.. Bet you can't do it.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 10:42 am

How about a little humor to insert into this serious discussion? :

“In Norway, Trump's comments on immigration rejected as backhanded praise"

“.....Norwegian satirist Eirik Bergesen posted:"
“Sorry, @realDonaldTrump, we Norwegians don't want to emigrate to countries run like s-holes."

NBC News: Web Link

""""


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Posted by Nathan, a resident of Bonde Ranch,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 11:01 am

I see no one has the fortitude to defend the morality of artificial borders between peoples. We are all ultimately the same family, correct?

More boring debates over crude language from the president..but he is ultimately a temporary figure..he will be gone and the artificial borders which prevent hope for the poor the world over will still be in place. No?

Let's talk about what's actually at stake here..who are we as a nation? Are we going to really be part of the global family or stay on this selfish path of ignorant bliss?

I would expect more of this board in particular.


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Posted by Nathan, a resident of Bonde Ranch,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 11:14 am

Thank you Michael Austin..someone actually talking about a real issue...that taint is on us all, the birth of this nation. Hopefully, some day, our leaders will rectify it through a true family of nations.

I was born here truly by chance - why should that automatically give me the opportunity for material comfort while millions starve around the globe through no real fault of their own?

What Trump says - just noise...the immorality of a world with borders goes on and on.

Peace to you Michael.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 11:58 am

Definition of that "vile" word from the Oxford Dictionary:

"An extremely dirty, shabby, or otherwise unpleasant place."

Funny, I couldn't find ONE racist connotation in ANY of the online dictionaries I referenced.

It would seem that all you libs are making up racist accusations out of whole cloth.

I have to laugh at a political party that claim's "values" and "morals", yet at the same time has no issues terminating a baby as late as at birth.

So go ahead, throw your invective, use the well worn accusations of “racist" that you do to always try and silence opposition: it doesn't work any longer.

And remember what I said regarding last weeks “week of outrage"? You know, that book that everyone WAS talking about?

This is just this weeks outrage. Next week will be something else.

Meanwhile, how about that Russia investigation?


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 12:36 pm

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Here you go, Res - have a few facts to dilute your bile: Web Link

"(I am from Moldova.) Let's not mince words: Moldova is a hole. Modify with any four letters you wish."

"I'm not alone. America is a nation of holers. It is an improbable yet wildly successful experiment in the transformation " by means of hope, opportunity and ambition " of holers into doers, makers, thinkers and givers. Are you of Irish descent? Italian? Polish? Scottish? Chinese? Chances are, your ancestors did not get on a boat because life in the old country was placid and prosperous and grandpa owned a bank. With few exceptions, Americans are the dregs of the wine, the chaff of the wheat. If you don't know this by now, it makes you the wax in the ear."

"Donald Trump is the wax in the ear." ...

"What about the argument that people from poor countries bring their national baggage with them " the dysfunctions and prejudices that help account for their troubles back home?"

"Immigrants are more likely to be fleeing those dysfunctions and prejudices than they are to be bringing them " ... Vietnamese boat people did not bring fratricidal hatreds with them to America. Soviet refuseniks did not bring a Soviet work ethic."

"... Also obvious is that immigrants don't steal jobs. They fill jobs Americans won't do or create those that haven't been invented. They don't bring crime to cities. They drive out crime by starting businesses and families in shrinking cities or underserved neighborhoods. They don't undermine American culture. They feed, enrich and reinvent it, not least through their educational ambitions for themselves and their children."

"This is true of most immigrants, but perhaps more so of the so-called “holers." Sub-Saharan Africans have 'among the highest college-completion rates of any immigrant group.' As for Haitians, MPI found they had a higher labor participation rate than the overall work force, and had median household incomes of $47,200 " lower than the overall U.S. median, but robust by any developed nation standard."

"How can this be? It shouldn't be a mystery. Immigrants self-select. They have a broader perspective. They know their luck. They want it more. The miraculous in America is mostly invisible to those who've known nothing else. To really see it clearly, you must first rise up from a hole."

"Donald Trump has not, to say the least, risen from a hole. But he is sinking into one. It may be that it won't damage him politically " Republican Party leaders, increasingly unshameable, will mumble mild disapproval until the news cycle turns " but it does damage the country. We have a president even more ignorant of America than he is of the rest of the world."

"Maybe there really is something wrong with the president's head. Modify with any four letters you wish."

Brilliant. From a Pulitzer-prize-winning journalist who made his name at the WSJ, and recently joined the Times as a conservative voice. Read and learn, Res. What 'everybody knows' just ain't so.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 12:53 pm

@Resident

Deflecting off of abortion, “Fire and Fury" sales (which is #1 right now on Amazon, BTW), and the Russia investigation?

“When the debate is lost, deflection becomes the tool of the loser."


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 12:56 pm

Words of wisdom:

“We're Americans!": Web Link

- - - - -


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 1:13 pm

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It's an apple.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 3:42 pm

Stay on point Tom.

You made the connection between calling another country a “vile" word to that of being a racist.

By definition, you and the author are wrong.

We get that this is the latest outrage, meanwhile, the economy is doing well;ISIS is beat; taxes are lower; Immigration will be fixed;and the Russia investigation will go nowhere.

All of this will be done quietly, while you moralistically preen about the next outrage.




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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 3:45 pm

Sam,

Not deflecting at all, but a little perspective.

Democrats hate words; republicans hate the indiscriminate killing of full term babies enshrined in the Democrat party platform.

Don't you or the blogger EVER lecture me on values and morals.


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Posted by Kurt, a resident of Danville,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 3:58 pm

Mr. Cushing, I suggest you study a little history before letting your emotions get the best of you. Trump called Haiti and African nations s-hole countries. I agree that the remarks were not presidential; however, I don't believe that you can assume Trump is racist just by the content in his utterance.

Bosnia and Herzegovina, as well as parts of Croatia were s-hole countries at one time. Oh, and they had a Caucasian populace. So, if a person of color had referred to those regions as "s-hole countries back then, would that have been racist?

Only God knows what's in a man's heart.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 4:27 pm

@Kurt: "Trump called Haiti and African nations s-hole countries."

Nope, you just don't get what happened here at all. Trump wasn't making a statement just about the countries. He didn't say something like "Oh, I was thinking of going on a vacation in Haiti but I decided not to because it and similar counties are "s-hole" countries." That would have been bad enough for a President to say out loud, but that wasn't the point of his statement at all. He made a statement about "s-hole" countries in the context of IMMIGRATION. He made his statement about "s-hole" countries during a meeting in which he rejected a bipartisan deal on the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. His was not an attack on the government or country of Haiti and other countries, but on the PEOPLE of those countries, saying that they were not desirable immigrants to this country.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 4:40 pm

Let's be clear here, Trump is being QUOTED by Democrat Senator Dick Durbin as saying “s-hole" countries. Trump has denied it and no other sources, presumably some are Democrats, have come forth to back up Durbin's claims.

Read it and weep: Web Link

Why aren't the other Democrat Senators whom were present in the meeting chiming in to back up Durbins accusations?

I guess the world will never know...



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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 4:56 pm

@Resident

The White House didn't deny that Trump made the remark. Also, Republican Senator Graham says that he confronted Trump about the remark. Don't think that your strategy of trying to deny that Trump ever uttered those words is a very convincing one.


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Posted by WOW, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 5:14 pm

Both sides have there underwear bunched up this time. This too shall pass.


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Posted by Kurt, a resident of Danville,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 5:45 pm

@Sam

Sir, the president said s-hole countries, not s-hole people.

Sir, I believe you are embellishing. Adding or taking away from the truth isn't the truth.


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Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 8:21 pm

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Yes, Mr. Cushing that is my argument so let me rephrase it for added clarity.

In this blog Mr. Cushing labeled a Trump comment as racist. This is a common tactic of the left and designed to stop all discussion. Yet this is how Mr. Cushing pretends to start a discussion.

The Democrat Party is the party of racism and discrimination from its founding to this very day. The charge from the left of racism has become a cliché.

And I am also glad that Mr. Cushing is unable to avoid "the daily outrage distraction trap" along with so many other Democrats. Because in the meantime, almost under the radar, Trump is demolishing the Obama legacy brick by brick, building by building, regulation by regulation. And I love it!


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 13, 2018 at 8:42 pm

I think that racism is a very serious charge and I think that it is often a charge that is thrown out far too casually. Personally, I never throw that charge unless the case for racism is fairly ironclad. When Trump claimed that “both sides" were responsible for the violence in Charlottesville, I thought that that was a very strange statement but I didn't go so far as to call Trump racist. Maybe insensitive to racial issues in the US, yes, (which in itself is a pretty sad situation for the President of the US to be in) but not racist.

This latest case of Trump decrying people immigrating from countries that he says are “s-holes", though, is starting to make me wonder. Do any of us really know what is going through Trump's brain? I think not. I'll be watching and listening to Trump's statements much more closely from now on. This “s-hole" comment by Trump is a game-changer. No longer will I be giving Trump the benefit of the doubt when he says something that is racially insensitive or questionable. Trump himself has squandered away any benefit of the doubt that I and many others have given him. He should weigh his words very carefully from now on - for his own sake.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 8:26 am

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Wow - a lot went on last evening. A few thoughts:

Doug: As to your premise, I did not label Res a racist (per your earlier comment), although he does put his values squarely in-issue when he endorses the Prez's racist language. On that basis I'll be pleased to call those values into Q, anywhere and any time.

Your history claim is utterly absurd as concerns anything that has occurred since the 1960s (it was LBJ who forced through both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, after all <- actual evidence). You've provided no basis for your claim, of course. You might also consider the voting record of African Americans since that same time - are you claiming a mass Stockholm Syndrome?

So, attacks on me aside - do you Not consider the President's latest statements to be racist? Why?

Kurt - am I emotional about racism in America? Absolutely and forever - it's our nation's original sin (and Michael Austin, I include Native Americans among its victims). Does it mean that I jumped to my conclusion?
I believe not - Trump's business record since the 1980s, as well as statements and policy preferences of his presidency, all point in that direction. It's time to call it what it is - racist - catering-to the worst demons of our shared history. Repugnant.

Further, if you Really believe the Prez was talking about geography and not the people of those countries, in a discussion about immigrants from there, you are giving the prevaricator-in-chief way too much unearned credit, if not practicing linguistic sophistry (I assure you HE makes no such fine distinctions). When you have to go That far in defense, you might consider whether it's worth defending at all.

Res - so after endorsing that racist slur, you now want to doubt it occurred? And please, stop with the 'othering' and deflections. You paint with a too-broad and sloppy brush ('all' this and that - it's a propaganda tool from the 1930s). This thread is not a party referendum - it's about the implications of Trump's latest racist fulminations.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 10:33 am

Tom,

1. Doubt it happened? Moi? Others in the meeting have said it didn't happen: Web Link

Opps. Another outrage, another week.

2. Although you conveniently wish to define the word s-hole as racist, it's not and I proved it. And rather than admit that you've changed the definition to mean what you want it to mean, you double-down and do EXACTLY what Doug describes. It's almost comical to watch.

3. I'm at a point in my life where I can do and say what I want without any fear of being called a racist. I simply don't care because I know the truth.

Back to winning.






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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 10:51 am

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SillyScreenName#1: your opinion is that Trump didn't utter the words who others did say he uttered?

Are you calling the 'others' a liar? Because, unless I'm wrong, you get your news media coverage from the same exact sources that mostly everybody else does.

OR because a few GOP lap dogs/cowards now say he didn't say (they first said 'I don't recall').

I wonder, are you proud of the President? /s


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 11:03 am

@Resident :"1. Doubt it happened? Moi? Others in the meeting have said it didn't happen: Web Link"

“Others"? As in plural? Did you even carefully read the linked story that you yourself offered?


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 1:37 pm

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I find it curious the GOP and Trump defenders concentrate on the toilet word 'not' being said, but totally ignore the Denmark crack. Pretty sure that is what earned the 'racist' remarks. OR did that not occur as well? Do share with us your secret alternative media source you depend on that tells you that.

Curious too why a white person from Denmark making good money would WANT to come to the USofA? I know facts disturb defenders of everything Trump.

It really is an apple


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Posted by HUH, a resident of Amador Estates,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 3:49 pm

Norway not Denmark.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 4:44 pm

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oh, sorry, Another country with mostly white folks. :) No doubt it was on his mind.....


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 5:07 pm

Sam,

Other(S): Web Link

Happy?


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 6:06 pm

@Resident

A member of Trump's own cabinet, a person who he personally hired, doesn't recall that him saying that “exact phrase"? Color me shocked. Even you must realize how half-hearted your attempts to defend Trump here are.


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Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 8:34 pm

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Mr. Cushing seems confused. I have never made any reference to Res.

And I repeat, "The Democrat Party is the party of racism and discrimination from its founding to this very day." Glad that Mr. Cushing has acknowledged the Democrat party's racist first 130 years of history. Those highlights include slavery, the Civil War, the KKK, segregation and the internment of Japanese during WWII.

And it is not absurd to claim that Democrats are still the party of racism, bigotry and discrimination. The Democrat party has simply moved African Americans from the plantation or back of the bus to inner city ghettos and made them dependent on welfare thus destroying generations of these people. Democrat programs also include discrimination against Asians in higher education, reverse discrimination called quotas, and the bigotry of low expectations, again with regard to African Americans.

As for LBJ, since Mr. Cushing brought him up with regard to the Civil Rights Act, more than twice as many Democrat congressmen voted against the bill compared to Republicans. The bill needed Republican support because so many Democrats opposed it. So much for 'forcing the bill' through congress.

But the most interesting aspect of raising the spectre of LBJ is that he made many racist statements, often using the "n" word. He had variations of the 'n' word depending on his audience. Read a little Doris Kearns Goodwin. In comparison, Trump sounds like a choir boy.

So there is lots of proof since 1960. And many physical monuments to Democrat success exist in these matters that are bigger than Nathan Bedford Forrest and Robert E. Lee. They are the black ghettos in cities like Baltimore, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles and nearby Oakland, all run by Democrats.




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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
on Jan 14, 2018 at 9:53 pm

@Doug Miller

So all those KKK members and white supremacists at Charlottesville were all Hillary and Obama voters, eh?

Just giving you a reality check to help you come back to Earth.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Danville,
18 hours ago

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I doubt that the terms "proof", "truth" and "confused" have ever been so abused in one thread.

Doug: your party mythology is such settled history that it barely merits a response. Read up on the Southern Strategy that details how the Parties flipped in the 1960s, over LBJ's passionate advocacy for the CRAct and VRAct - the two laws that have done more for racial equality than anything since emancipation. As Johnson said at the time: "I believe we've lost the South for the next hundred years." He was right.

As one clear example among millions: prominent segregationist Strom Thurmond switched parties in 1964, precisely for that reason: "Thurmond represented South Carolina in the United States Senate from 1954 until 2003, at first as a Democrat and, after 1964, as a Republican. Thurmond switched parties because of his disaffection with the support for civil rights of the national party ..." Web Link

Or you might ponder my unanswered Q about African-American voter registration - here's the facts from non-partisan Pew Research: "Trends in party affiliation among black voters have been largely stable over recent years. Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with just 7% who identify as Republican or lean Republican."

87%. To 7%. And "largely stable." Hmmm. If you got it right, they all get it wrong. Web Link

Of course, the best evidence for Trump as Racist is his denial of it over the weekend. Fits a pattern - as do his racist actions over a long career: Web Link

Happy MLK Day everyone. Maybe the Prez will invite Dr. King and Frederick Douglass over the WH for a photo op, you know, to demonstrate his support.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
18 hours ago

“Of course, the best evidence for Trump as Racist is his denial of it over the weekend."

So now to deny being a racist is equal to being a racist.

Thanks for the clarification, Tom.


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Posted by Robert, a resident of Amador Estates,
18 hours ago

Senator Robert Byrd. Renowned racist, KKK member and prominent Democrat.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
17 hours ago

Robert: do we really need to discuss the difference between an example and an exception? If we go one-by-one, you will quickly run-out. I will not.

Res, for context: Web Link Lying.


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Posted by Robert, a resident of Amador Estates,
17 hours ago

My point being every party has people we don't agree with. No party is better than the other. Both have good and bad. That's because they are made up of people with wide variety of backgrounds and beliefs. To promote one over the other is futile. But enough wasted time. I shall bid you good day.


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Posted by Doug Miller, a resident of Country Fair,
16 hours ago

Doug Miller is a registered user.

@Robert

In 2010 Secretary Clinton praised Senator Bryd as her mentor and friend. She should be ashamed to be associated with this former KKK leader.

While math is hard for some, I think 2010 comes after 1960.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
16 hours ago

@Robert

Not the old, tired Robert Byrd thing again. You neglected to mention that Robert Byrd changed, apologized, and repented. Why? You thought that all that was a minor detail not even worth mentioning?


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Posted by Ken J. , a resident of Danville,
16 hours ago

Ken J. is a registered user.

I'll take false equivalence for 100, Alex.


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Posted by Ed, a resident of Bonde Ranch,
16 hours ago

If someone hates Republicans, as many of these posters do, and an African American is a Republican does that make that someone racist?


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
15 hours ago

Scott Hale is a registered user.

Does it really matter which toilet word he used? Does any GOP defender deny he only wants people from predominantly white countries (and some Asians)? Or will you deny that FACT as well?

Merit based = white, with cash and skills.


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Posted by Tom Cushing, a resident of Alamo,
15 hours ago

Ed: Speaking for myself, I do not "hate Republicans." I used to be one, before the GOP left me in its rightward lurch.

I disagree with very many of their policies and priorities, and to whatever extent those include racism/white supremacy, well, I do hate that.

There is a very small percentage of African Americans who agree with the GOP. That's their business. I don't hate them, either.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
14 hours ago

Tom,

So not only does denying being racist equal being a racist, but lying is now equal to being a racist.

I can't keep up with the ever expanding ways you keep defining being a racist.

So I guess that makes me a racist too.

Again, thanks for the clarification.


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
14 hours ago

@Resident

I think that the point is that Trump's denials count for nothing.


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Posted by Scott Hale, a resident of San Ramon,
7 hours ago

Scott Hale is a registered user.

SSN#1: Well, gee whiz: how do you define being a racist? Please reply with details and examples. No hiding.

And please let us know if you are proud of 'our' President. Again, no hiding.


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Laguna Oaks,
7 hours ago

Scott,

I can't say it any more eloquently than Doug said earlier up thread.

Our President is dismantling the disaster that was the Obama administration brick by brick and at the same time, causing you libs heads to explode.

I am LOVING watching you, Sam, and especially the blogger prattle on about s-hole while Trump very quietly pushes his agenda.

As far as defining racism, please do yourself a favor and find an online dictionary to use as a reference. That's what I'd do!


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Posted by Sam, a resident of Oak Hill,
5 hours ago

Did someone say that Trump actually did something "very quietly"?

:-)



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