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Four teens charged in Danville drug deal gone bad

Original post made on Apr 22, 2010

Four young men have been charged with threats of violence after allegedly taking property from a 15-year-old who was looking to buy marijuana from them.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:57 PM

Comments (65)

Posted by sparkles
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 9:45 am

Boys, what were you thinking??? I remember you all from school and little league and soccer .. Just stop and look at yourselves and think about whether this is truly who you want to be.

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 2:44 pm

Hmm think about who you want to be? Kicked out of MVHS, Kicked out of Del Amigo, Kicked out SRVHS, Kicked out of Del Amigo. Maybe the parents should have looked at what they were going to be.

Posted by SALLY
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 3:02 pm


Posted by Marie
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 4:02 pm

Wake up Danville parents & START BEING PARENTS!!!

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Green Valley Elementary School
on Apr 22, 2010 at 4:06 pm

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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 5:00 pm

SERIOUSLY?!?!? I knew all these kids! STOP BEING WANNA BE GANGSTERS!!! You all live in Danville! One of the safest neighborhoods according to Forbes! Who do you think you are?!?! I know all of you! And you all come from families with money! Stop being "hard" and acting "gangster". No one cares about your identity when you do that! Look at you now! The gangs of Danville... You are all so tough. Way to go boys. You just through your life away. I cant believe what Danville has become. First a murder in Green Brook, now strong arm robbery's and houses getting broken into. Our small quaint town is better than this.

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Apr 22, 2010 at 5:02 pm

I cant believe this. This is such BS. I love watching some of these kids thinking they are so hard. Especially at school walking around with there over sized t-shrits and ball caps. something has to be done about the mind set of these kids at SR and MV. Wake up parents. If you really dont know your kids are getting high and drunk, just look at their facebook. Wake up parents, and start being parents.

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Green Valley Elementary School
on Apr 22, 2010 at 5:27 pm

What was disrespectful about pointing out the obvious?

Posted by another anonymous
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 6:17 pm

I bet those parents thought it was cute when their kids were aggressive in elementary school. I bet those parents said “it’s just boys being boys” and “their just being kids” more than they said “I love you”. I bet those parents wanted to be their child’s friend, not parent. I bet those parents have their noses up in the air saying my child is better than yours! Way to go Danville parents, you must be so proud.

Posted by bz
a resident of Blackhawk
on Apr 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm

I don't know why the reaction to this is to throw stones at parents or to otherwise make this worse. These families are in crisis! I would hope more of us would want to get to the bottom of what causes these behaviors and how can we ALL contribute to HELPING! This just truly makes me sad!

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Monte Vista High School
on Apr 22, 2010 at 7:15 pm

One of these individuals was expelled from SRVHS for duct taping a football teammate in the locker room. The parts that were duct taped, I guess I can't say. This individuals behavior started the minute he moved here in the third grade. My reaction to throwing stone at the parents.

Posted by Name withheld
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 9:59 pm

Have fun in jail boys!

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Apr 22, 2010 at 10:51 pm

I am certainly not blaming the parents for anything. Obviously our town is successful. We have some of the wealthiest people living here amongst us, and blue ribbon schools all the way around town. I blame the parents for not being able to see that their own children are out smoking dope, or fighting on iron horse trail. And do NOT tell me that those parents arent responsible for buying their kids fast cars, and giving them as much money as they want whenever they want. I personally know plenty of kids form San Ramon High whose parents ALLOW them to get drunk with their friends at their house, who are well aware of their own children smoking weed, all the above. At senior ball alone, I think the chaperones had to be retarded or look the other way on issues. You had to be blind not to see that every kid there wearing sunglasses was high on ecstasy. i blame the parents for not being responsible enough to control their kids and having no insight on their childrens life. and yes, kids can make their own choices, and we all live and learn, but sometimes its just common sense. Who would be stupid enough to commit a crime on someone that they knew? especially in Danville when you cant drive 200feet without seen a danville police car. Im on a rant but there is another issue. Danville police. Instead of parking your cars with all the lights off and your radar gun on full blast, try driving through green brook, or blackhawk, or alamo even and look for the house that has a bunch of cars parked outside with MV or SR license plates... Gurantee you will make some great drug busts and minors in possesion of alcohol. Wake up Danville. its obvious are town has digressed in terms of safe living and drug free and great kids. stop playing the "COOL MOM" or "COOL DAD" scheme that never checks up on there kids unless they are having a party, and start playing parent and take control. just last saturday there were arrests made at the Danville Grange for a "lingerie party" where sophmores in highschool, juniors, all minors were wearing lingerie, drinking alcohol, ssmokeing weed, IN PUBLIC. What kind of parent are you? im done.

Posted by bobs big boy statue
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 11:43 pm

kids make mistakes. from the time they are young to the time they become adults. its how we learn from our mistakes and change our behavior that makes the difference of adding or taking from the community. i hear and read a lot of negative things being said. a lot of kids in high school act a certain way or talk and dress a certain way because thats the peer group that they belong to or indentify with regardless of our social economical status. i have not read any suggestions on how we can resolve the situation with these young men and offer an alternative to them to help them get their lives back on track and change. change comes from within. if all of you classmates know them so well, do you not at least feel like you should offer some support as fellow wolves and mustangs. standing up and helping the people who need your help is hard but its our duty as a small town to not look down on our youth, especially when they make bad decisions. lets embrace these young men, help them to see where they went wrong and offer positive alternatives to curb this bad behavior. their lives are not over. maybe you could start a group at school that will anonomysly give notes or suggestions to people you know who are involved in dangerous activities such as a lifestyle filled with alcohol and drug abuse. the most dangerous part experimenting with drugs and alcohol as a young person is that at some point you may want to stop and cut back, but due to the level of your current intake, you may find it hard to quit. and thats where the real problems begin. these young men are still some what salvagable and can change, educate themselves , and go on to lead productive lives that can in turn help other young people not make the same mistake. as danville citizens, do we really want to look down on these men with an attitude of superiority or do we want to help them get back on track and support them and their families through this difficult time. only we can make a difference. cmon classmates. help out your fellow friends and students. be part of something better.

Posted by Concerned
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 11:46 pm

Kids mirror their parents...integrity begets integrity! Please check your own behaviors and be clear on who you are and what values you are passing on. All kids have challenges and they look to their parents as the leader in making better choices and examining their alternatives.

Posted by Broseph Stalin
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 11:54 pm

Bro, people need to just like....chill out some times. Y'know, smoke some tree, put your feet up in a comfy spot, and just love living life, man. These kid's aren't being true to the earth, they deserve jail time. More weed for me!

Posted by A Mom of Danville Teens
a resident of Danville
on Apr 22, 2010 at 11:57 pm

I agree with anonymous from san ramon valley High school 100%. Many of the parents in this community would either like to be their childs friend, be considered the cool parent or just don't want to deal with the attitude and crap that their teens throw at them when they say NO!
The amount of money a family has is not the issue, its how parents are afraid to parent these kids and would rather stick their heads in the sand. This generation of kids has no idea how to want for something, they are too use to getting what they want NOW!!

After saying all of that, I know one of these boys and his parents are NOT one of the parents I discussed above. His parents never got him a car or have let him use their cars. They have done everything they possibly could have,including kicking him out of the house and not bailing him out of jail. Sometimes a parent can do everything right and still things happen. Don't blame these parents, they are not uninvolved or uncaring. I blame these boys for being selfish and not thinking about the consequences of their actions. Some people have to learn the hard way unfortunately. I will pray for these boys and their families.

a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 12:23 am

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Posted by Well Done
a resident of Del Amigo Continuation High School
on Apr 23, 2010 at 12:36 am

Agreed. I have taught at Del Amigo. Just plain bad seeds, not the parent's fault. At some point in time these screw-ups have to take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions.

Posted by moved from hayward
a resident of San Ramon
on Apr 23, 2010 at 1:48 am

when you don't learn at an early age, you grow up and continue to do wrong and thats lead to these kids ending up in prison.

that's why we must do everything we can to prevent it before they become young adults with criminal records. its why consequences have to be enforced early on otherwise they'll never learn.! true story.

Posted by X
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 2:55 am

I'm not even a little surprised. danville cops should really be taking the drug problems in this town seriously.

Posted by Freckle
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 7:19 am

These men have been in trouble before. We are not talking about "crimes" against themselves like smoking weed or drinking. Now we are talking about Robbery and Assault on a child. Seriously Danville, these boys are messed up! They need to go to prison and get a real dose of reality and then maybe they will be able to decide where they would rather live the rest of their lives. Hmmm living with a bunch of thugs always watching your "back" or in the boring suburbs feeling safe and sound.

Posted by Marie
a resident of San Ramon
on Apr 23, 2010 at 9:08 am

There wouldn't be drug dealers if there wasn't a market for their product(s). While the boy (customer) hopefully learned a lesson, he should not get off scott free. If he continues to pursue the purchase of this or any other illegal substance, he will continue to contribute to the existence of the dealers. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Posted by x
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 9:09 am

bobs big boy statue comment

Thank you bobs big boy, finally someone in this community smart and with a heart!

Posted by spcwt
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 9:26 am

Look on the positive: They did NOT sell pot to a 15 yr old.

Instead, they gave the kid an ass kicking (which the kid probably deserved) & taught him a valuable life lesson (i.e. don’t buy weed from two-bit thugs).

They might have even helped the 15 yr old, as now his parents can chew him out for being such a gol darn idiot. Who knows, maybe now this kid will straighten up and realize he doesn’t want to end up like these losers.

Posted by Danville mom
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 9:36 am

Its so easy for everyone to blame the parents... I love all these assumptions that parents thought the behavior was cute, looked the other way or wanted to be their kid's friend. There is such a thing as free will and some kids are STUBBORN and STRONG MINDED. It won't matter to those kids WHAT their parents say or do. When they leave the house they make their own choices and in this case they were determined to make the wrong ones. This doesn't automatically mean they have bad parents. Some people learn by seeing someone else's consequence, some people learn by having a consequence, and some people have to have worse and worse consequences over many years before they learn, if ever. Let's just all try to support each other in really applying and enforcing consequences as consistently as we can and support those parents whose kids are obviously harder to raise to do the right thing!

Posted by Marie
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 9:56 am

Of course kids make mistakes, but parents need to model good behavior & choices. I think we can all agree that we would like to help these kids and families, but if the parents don’t parent these kids, then there is nothing an outsider can do to help.

I have seen kids escalate from doorbell ditching and TPing to physical assault and vandalism; all with parents that say it was “boys being boys” or “kids being kids”. Some parents do care more about how they look and their precious “Danville reputation” than being a parent that has to say “NO”, “STOP”, or “you are punished”. Being a parent is hard, the hardest job in the world. Parents need to be loving at the same time as being a disciplinarian.

Many of the kids here in Danville don’t respect adults or other people’s property, they don’t understand the value of money, and the definitely don’t have to work for anything they want or need. These are values that parents must instill in their kids at a very young age. As I mentioned above, all kids make mistakes (and we all know they are stubborn and strong willed), but the different is do they throw one rock and run for the hills because they know they made a bad choice or do they keep throwing rocks until they get tired or caught?

Posted by Responding
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 10:04 am

To Danville Mom-

Yes, some kids are harder to raise than others. However, if you discipline these young ones enough, they will learn. Sometimes that means grounding them when they get caught with weed in the house. Sometimes that means allowing them to get arrested and learn a lesson. But the fact that these punks are 18 and 19 and still think this type of aggressive violent behavior is okay, well that is a reflection on our society (for putting these ideas in their head) and their parents (for not teaching them that society is wrong).

Posted by SALLY
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 10:56 am

I think it would be interesting to hear from the parents of these boys. What are their reasoniong and thoughts ?

Posted by Not a M.D.
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 12:25 pm

I'm not a Doctor. However, I do recognise the signs/symptoms of an under-developed and or stunted Prefrontal Cortex in a still-maturing adolescent male. Unfortunately, it's difficult to tell whether the drug abuse has slowed the growth of a healthy Prefrontal Cortex without study. Fortunately, "time heals all wounds," and if the drug abuse stops immediately, these teenagers should recognise the malicious intent behind their actions relatively quickly. Prayer, psychotherapy and a healthier diet are among the options to be considered. I suggest considering more than one.

Posted by Lil' Fish
a resident of Del Amigo Continuation High School
on Apr 23, 2010 at 3:21 pm

Yo this fool was going to a drug deal. Drug deals are dangerous Yo! It pops off like that ya feel it. These bloods were holdin it down.


Posted by Derek
a resident of Danville
on Apr 23, 2010 at 4:41 pm

Quit making excuses for the "poor parents" already. These losers more than likely fell close to the tree. Children are not fashion accessories and if you don't have time to raise them, don't spawn 'em.
There is a simple cure for lack of parental interest: BIRTH CONTROL.
If one of your little vermin decides to rob someone with a firearm, don't be surprised if the worst happens. Our local constables just might get a case of itchy trigger finger themselves.
By the way Danville police, let it be known that the back side of Mountain Mike's is also be used for drug deals.

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Los Cerros Middle School
on Apr 23, 2010 at 5:57 pm

Danville P.D. is very familiar with one of the homes. Mostly because they are called there on Saturday nights for spousal abuse. Yes the apple does not fall from the tree.

Posted by Janky
a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Apr 23, 2010 at 10:48 pm

This is why I buy my marijuana legally from the medical dispensaries in Walnut Creek, Berkeley, Oakland, and SF. silly hoodrats

Posted by bobs big boy statue
a resident of Danville
on Apr 24, 2010 at 12:41 am

derek,the danville police actually did shoot and kill a young man who tried to harm them. you may forget steven vidovich, who was shot at 76 gas station by dennys on sycamore valley rd, when he reached for his firearm.he sadly made a bad desicion that ended his life in a terrible way. had we provided him with better information and support from his peers and community, the out come could have been different. do we want this scenario to again happen to our danville youth. there must be a better way. how about suggesting some positive alternatives. and lil fish and jenky, please save your street language for the ghetto you are trying to sound like you came from. danville does not need that type of thuggish babble. pull up your pants, through away your soljah boy cds in the trash and start being responsable and educate yourself. dvc summer session is around the corner. take some classes, and got on to a uc or state school and make a difference. please leave the ebonix to oakland, richmond, antioch and pittsburgh where they can't help talking that way because thats all they know. we have opportunity and choice here. something the lower class wishes they had in their life everyday. that is the real reason behind crime in most big citys. lets not fill our city with the unrealisitc facade that the overproduced hyphy movement brings. let mac dre rest in peace. thank you for your cooperation.

Posted by Lil' Fish
a resident of Del Amigo Continuation High School
on Apr 24, 2010 at 11:27 am

Stop snitchin Derek. Ur givin away all our dope spots. Everyones gotta eat b!

Del Amigo Banditos represent

Posted by Adair
a resident of Danville
on Apr 24, 2010 at 2:15 pm

Whoa Whoa Whoa. To Well Done in Del Amigo Neighborhood:
I used to have an office in the Clock Tower. Students used to sit in the stairwell after school and smoke. When I called SRV High, I was told no to call there. SRVHS students did not do such things, these must be Del Amigo kids. I did some detective work and discovered that not only were they SRVHS students, I also gave the names of the little darlin's to the Principal.
My son owns a home in Danville. He has a lovely wife and two children. He works in Hi-Tech, where he earns over 6 figures. He graduated from what was then called CSUH. He was never in any trouble in his life, a good son and human being....By the way, he graduated from Del Amig High.

Posted by Feedback
a resident of Del Amigo Continuation High School
on Apr 24, 2010 at 4:55 pm

Del Amigo is not the same today, sorry.

Posted by Anonymous
a resident of San Ramon Valley High School
on Apr 24, 2010 at 5:45 pm

To Adair, Just curious why was your son never in any trouble, at Del Amigo a continuation school?

Posted by MissMe
a resident of Monte Vista High School
on Apr 24, 2010 at 7:12 pm

That one kid is such a loser. Finally he's in jail. He's gotten pass it so many times. Keep that kid locked up, he's a burden to society and an embarrassment to Danville. I'm ashamed to say I know him. He gets kicked out of every school. This guy needs to leave town and start over, no one wants him here.

Posted by bobs big boy staue
a resident of Danville
on Apr 24, 2010 at 9:42 pm

del amigo high is an highly sought after school for youth who just can not seem to make it in a regular high school. the classes are geared more to an open learning environment and provide the extra attention to youth who need extra attention in math, science, english , history and economics. mr john geltmeyer was an awesome teacher and set a great example of how to act and what is required of you if you want to succeed in life. to bad mouth del amigo as a trouble makers high school is just unfair and untrue. go to their web-page and read the success stories from former students. here is the link. Web Link
lil fish. only poor areas with no hope for a future use the word snitch. here in danville, when we call the police, it is regarded as positive community enforcement and involvement. please feel free to stay in oakland for a couple weeks off of international Blvd. and we will see you back in danville real soon. you will see that you are not as hard or gangsta as you claim to be. forget this hardcore lifestyle as it will only lead you to death, destruction or san quentin. rise up and take ownership of your life. do not let it be wasted on lame useless activity. also del amigo has been known on more than one occasion to whip the pants off of the sr boys varsity squad in basketball in friendly matches. thanks to mr john again. del amigo is a gold-mine for children who seem lost and just can not seem to make the pieces fit together.
education is the key to our society's success. lets use its power to the fullest.

Posted by WorstEnemy
a resident of Danville
on Apr 24, 2010 at 11:52 pm

Let's not get carried away with our assessment of Del Amigo. Lucy Daggett, principal of Del Amigo and the entire teaching/support staff have indeed made great strides of improvement over the past three years. The entire Del Amigo staff do inded have a difficult task in front of them, each and every day, teaching young adults who do not fit into the conventional school classroom and really for the most part do not have a deep interest or desire to learn, at the moment.

Every child has worth, value and talent, some just find it later in life, but unfortunately some never do.

I applaud the efforts of the entire Del Amigo staff, and hope that every Del Amigo student reading these thoughts locates the courage within themself to persevere.

There is no one holding you back, other than yourself.

Posted by jrm
a resident of Vista Grande Elementary School
on Apr 26, 2010 at 7:52 am

jrm is a registered user.

Just want to say thanks to Big Boy Bob...excellent thoughtful perspective.

Posted by Ron
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 8:58 am

If you dont know the parents, what they are doing or trying to do you should not judge. Some kids just dont listen and no matter the effort from home, kids will make stupid decisions that will leed to trouble. The parents will circle the wagons and try their hardest to protect their child even after this event. I know many kids in the 13 to 23 age and my take is they mature a lot slower here. I have had my own problems with one child but it was not from lack of effort or good parenting. Kids are part of the community and at times I have had to get on a few kids ass to either stop something or address issues with a kid. I do find a lot of parents are too far removed from what their kids are doing and will defend their child to a fault. When is the last time a young teenager said yes sir to you? I dont think most know what the word "excuse me" is used for. Spend 5 minutes with a kid and you will know what kind of parents he has. But dont let good manners fool you, you have to watch all of them but its a good indicator. As far as what to do with these kids, the court will do that with fines, probation, drug testing, community service and DMV will suspend their lic. if drug related and maybe a few days or weeks in county jail. The parents may seek a teen help group for them or take them to the recruiting office for the Army. They are almost beyond help at that age. Thats what I did and it worked pretty good. The option was at 18 you sign up and go be a grunt, move away and go start your own life or fly straight and go to school with our support and rules. He woke up but it took a little doing. Another thing that I believe was important was good diet, good sleep and instill strong work ethic. Not to mentioned finding things we both enjoyed doing together and spending every weekend with him either sailing, working, hunting, spending time with quality people that he could learn from as well. Made him get a job in addition to working at home. Find that something he loves to do, do it with them and dont let up. Turn the t.v. off and limit the access on the computer and phone. Have a program installed on their computer where you see every key they type, monitor their life as much as possible from a distance but be there when needed with advice and wisdom. Take them to Oakland - International Blvd or East 14th Street as I knew it and show them how the mojority of people live and make them understand that they are the lucky ones. Get them out of the Danville bubble. Most kids doing what these kids did probally feel rejected at home or at school. They need help, just dont know it. The most difficult times in my life were being a teenager and raising one.

Posted by Caroline
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 9:43 am

I don't know any of the teachers at Del Amigo. What disturbs me is that a teacher, Well Done, has taught at Del Amigo calls these kids "bad seeds". That must have been a very positive learning environment for your students! I am not blaming you for these kids actions, Well Done. I am just saying that I would not want my child to be in your classroom if you believed him or her to be a "bad seed".
As for those of you who are so quick to judge the kids and the parents...get off your high horses.

Posted by one of the boys charged
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 10:56 am

i was there when all this [word removed] went down. im one of the 4 kids that got chraged with this.none of you can talk when you dont know what happened. the kid handed over all his [word removed] and was never touched. only one of the kids named did all the [word removed] and it wasnt the two 18 year olds or the 17 year old. one person robbed another person, so before you talking [word removed] on people or our parents check out what the real story is, first offthe kid was trying to buy drugs. cameron and brandon didnt have aything to do with this. check and see why they are not in jail and person who did the crime is. you all dont know [word removed] get a [word removed] life and if you have something to say to us or our parents say it to our faces not on some [word removed] blog

Posted by American
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 11:27 am

"one of the boys charged": It is sad that you can not put together a single sentence without using a curse word that has to be omitted. You may have some very valid points to make, but your failure to communicate in an appropriate and non-obscene manner overshadows your message. This is a good life lesson, as inappropriate language may cost you a job, or other things you want in life. Control the temper, take a deep breath, and learn to communicate in an acceptable, non-threatening manner. I want your voice heard, but until you learn to communicate appropriately, your message will not be heard. Good luck.

Posted by Caroline
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 11:47 am

So it is perfectly fine for some of the adults to call these kids "losers", to call these kids a disgrace to Danville, or to say they "ashamed to know them" as long as they write in nice, complete sentences? Please note the teenager did not call any one of us a ****, but the adults have called the teenagers "losers" and "bad seeds". Quite frankly, the "loser" moniker coming from adults is much more hurtful than the overused profanity as used by a teenager.
As long as some of you are judging, let's also look at the humanity, or total lack thereof, behind the judgment.

Posted by Current Del Amigo Teacher
a resident of Del Amigo Continuation High School
on Apr 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm

To anyone who made suppositions against Del Amigo's student body simply on the basis of one current student (who also attended SRVHS and MVHS), attitudes like yours are what is wrong with our community. One child's misguided actions (particularly when they date back throughout his lifetime and are clearly not something easily curable)do not reflect on a school, other students, staff, and parents of those who also attend DAHS. It is people like you who make these assumptions that build negative connations for the school and any student attending. There are SEVERAL wonderful students at DAHS who are here to graduate early, get ahead in credits, receive individual help, or because they did not fit in at the larger schools. You don't know us or these students so do not judge. For anyone interested, the San Ramon Patch will have an article posted by the end of this week all about Del Amigo High School and the students here. They took the time to visit and get to know the students, staff, and parents. Perhaps you should be more generous in your heart and not make unwarranted judgments in the future. Our students show more compassion towards others on a daily basis than most of you have in your comments here!

Posted by Hard Wired
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 12:16 pm

There are indeed bad seeds born into this world, everyday. Denial does not make these people disappear.

The debate over nature versus nuture, continues.

Are some chidren, just wired differently than others?

Posted by Caroline
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 12:38 pm

I am not in denial. I recognize the cruel acts of people in this world. It is hard for me to believe that you honestly believe your cavalier statement. So, you are able to go through a hospital newborn unit and look at those babies and know that one of them is a "bad seed"?
Every single child is wired differently. The responsibility of us, as adults, however, is to work with the nature that any child has and nurture each one of them in accordance to their nature. Some parents are more able to nurture, and some children have a more difficult nature. Not an easy job for anyone at anytime.

Posted by Ron
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 12:58 pm

One of the boys
This kid says he had nothing to do with it yet he was there and did nothing? Could have stopped it, remove yourself from the group if there was a crime being commited, get out of the car but suddenly you are innocent. I had nothing to do with it, it was him, not my fault, its the kids fault for wanting to buy weed. You should be charged just for being there, and doing nothing. Grow up - oh thats right, your a follower - not a leader. This was your lucky break if you get no charges. I bet it was funny until you got pulled over.

Posted by Former classmate of Brandin Kumro
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 1:49 pm

[Portion removed for hearsay] However, this does not excuse Kumro's actions. If he is charged with this crime and serves time behind bars, perhaps it will serve as a suitable wake up call for him. I hope he learns from this experience and that he becomes a valuable addition to the community.

Posted by Hard Wired
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 2:07 pm


Is it not possible that no matter the level and degree of nuture provided by care givers that the ultimate nature of the child will prevail in the end?

Thus the possibility of the bad seed does exist!

I understand what your saying, I am just trying to state cases with children that people have difficult accepting.

Posted by Mom of Danville Teens
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 3:17 pm

To Former classmate of Brandin Kumro. [Portion removed] That is a problem with this community, unless it affects them they would rather not be involved. We must show some leadership and stand up for things that are not right, or we have no chance of making innocent peoples lives better!

Posted by Ron
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm

Dont you know? They are all innocent.

Posted by Caroline
a resident of Danville
on Apr 26, 2010 at 8:29 pm

Hard Wired,
This world can be a cruel place. Children are particularly open to the affects of the many types of cruelty. Because each child is wired differently, each child will respond to events in different ways. Some may act out inappropriately; some may withdraw; and some may be little affected. If a child does not have at least one person in her life that shares unconditional love (which includes discipline), the child is in a tough spot making it through life the way that most of us would want to live. So, no, I do not believe that there is any baby born a "bad seed".
Look, I'm not arguing the innocence of the boys actions. I agree with justice being served. If the boys are guilty, they should be punished.
What I find demoralizing is the willingness of so many to judge others so quickly. There is a lack of humanity in such judgments.

Posted by Responding
a resident of Danville
on Apr 27, 2010 at 11:15 am

I can appreciate some (Caroline in particular) willingness to remain open minded about these young men and their guilt or innocence. Many people here have been too quick to jump all over these boys and their parents.

However, it does not excuse their actions, and if they are charged (and then actually convicted) of these crimes, they need to be grown up enough to take responsibility. I have seen over and over cases where kids get into trouble in and around Danville, and parents consistently bail them out, make excuses to the school administration, pay their tickets, or even buy them new cars when they wreck the ones they were given.

Many Danville teenagers do not respect themselves and their own lives enough to know that they have it so good, and they should be grateful and work towards positive goals in their lives.

I grew up in Danville, and whenever I stepped out of line, my parents did whatever was possible to correct it. That meant I spent some time early in high school in my house, with no TV or computer, doing nothing but homework for weekends on end while my friends pranced around and got in more trouble. I wouldn't trade that for anything in the world, because after a while, I learned my lesson.

Posted by grew up in hayward
a resident of San Ramon
on Apr 27, 2010 at 10:52 pm

Ron, I second that statement overwhelmingly! Just because you're a passenger in a car, i.e. someone's who's going along with it and does nothing to further himself from the mal-activity or stop violence, doesn't mean you shouldn't be arrested is exactly true! Those who shows up to throw a punch and start a fight aren't there just to do nothing, or else why should they even be there in the first place? Why don't more kids - my peers I'm 19 years old - get that? I learned the hard way growing up on less than friendly streets as compared to what I consider the more welcoming environment of the Tri-Valley. The most important thing I learned very quick watching others serve as examples for all - if you don't want to be in trouble, stay out of the car!

Learn some valuable lessons, or don't America is the land of the free and some will always choose not to, but don't make excuses for taking risk all on your own and being caught like "one of the boys charged"

Growing up you either gain some sense or gain entries on your record; it's the individual's responsibility(not society's) to either help himself or not. And if an individual doesn't learn his lessons then it's a long hard life he's choosing

Posted by Ron
a resident of Danville
on Apr 28, 2010 at 3:05 pm

Grew up in Hayward
The differance is you have street smarts and probally a dad that you feared. Street smarts is seeing, watching and hearing what happened to a friend or friends and seeing them get their butt kicked. The meanest street around here is the one with speed bumps. These wanna be bad boys could not hold their own against a 13 year old from Hayward up to Crocket. Lucky for them they picked on a local boy. Sad thing is that kid thinks he did nothing wrong. I just hope his parents dont see it that way. He had choices but went the wrong way and needs to humble himself. If he can do that, we will not see his mug shot anytime soon.

Posted by DJ
a resident of Monte Vista High School
on Apr 30, 2010 at 1:39 am

These 4 guys were and still are headed down the wrong path.. we all knew they would get caught one day I mean danville cops look for all this stuff since it is such a small town. Graduating from SRVHS i know there is huge drug problem that needs to be addressed but the school lacks the resources to stop it, Monte vista is even worse there senior ball was full of high kids and kids on ecstasy.... we can pretend danville is an awesome place but behind the money and people ... The town is full of sex, drugs, and other bad issues

Posted by Danville Teen
a resident of San Ramon
on May 7, 2010 at 6:53 am

I can't believe that you would throw all your whole life away! And what for? Some money and a backpack? That's just ridicules. Not all teens are stupid enough to get involved in drugs and alcohol, but this sure says something about the IQ of the kids who do.

Posted by annonomous
a resident of Danville
on May 16, 2010 at 9:58 am

I am sad to read all of this and know one of the boys personally because he was friends with my daughter and our family a couple years ago and he was a really nice boy back then. I took him in and brought him to our church and tried to help give him the guidence and love and support he was missing in his life. I could only hope that his bad behavior will change and he will get the support needs.

Posted by anonomys
a resident of Danville
on May 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

i knew onee of these boys and he became part of the family almost like a brother to me and i am sooo dispointed to see what he has become and i only hope he fixes his probelems before its too late! and i dont want to have to end up in the emergincy room again...

Posted by :)
a resident of Danville
on Apr 3, 2012 at 3:28 pm

whos laughing now :) me :) all you danivlle snobs can blow me i cant wait till one of your kids end up in prison and you can remember your little blog you posted on! point in note 3 of these boys were aqquitted and well one of them got 4 years i wonder whos laughing now maybe you guys shouldnt speak on things unless you were there lol

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