50:1 odds Del Amigo student spending his summer time at Montana boarding camp

Observer- I went to Del Amigo and I now a have successful career working for a fortune 500 company in Silicon Valley. Don't be ignorant. You sound stupid when you do that.

Parents must be proud of these two geniuses - can't even beat up a 66 year old woman, and then run away leaving their backpacks behind. Would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

@Bob K - As a Del Amigo graduate you certainly know what goes on at the school. Question, are you willing to take on the bet?

Felony assault, the attack is though written up much more seriously in the local paper as the county prosecutor has drawn criticism from the citizenry for opting not to pursue attempted murder charges. De La Salle.

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Yet another testament of the failure of our mental health system and parenting in our community. When parents can't contain and control and get inadequate help they then turn to the "educational consultant" to find a place to put the problem. This is often one of the expensive "therapeutic boarding schools" that are part of the Utah and Idaho's cottage industry. This is nothing but another sad story of the poor training and lack of competency that is rampant at these facilities. This is buyer beware territory for parents.

So, what's going on in this Danville kid's family? Or, what wasn't going on with respect to good parenting and a home life based on values. In my opinion, it usually points back to the parents and choices they made early on. What did this kid experience and see in THAT household to manifest such behavior as this? Too late now, our taxes will be paying to support this misfit for life.

I'm not going to speculate/point fingers (at parents, system, etc.) as I don't know these boys or their mental health history, family of origin, etc. - I do wonder however why their names were released. They are only 17 and I thought minors were supposed to remain anonymous.

I hope the kids get some help, and that their victim recovers quickly.

66 is "elderly"?

I think "elderly" is 65 and over. Not that it means anything, 18 and over is considered "adult"

The young man was at Explorations, a therapeutic boarding school in Montana. Sounds like it may be a place to help work through issues rather than a summer camp filled with fun.

By the way, whatever happened with that Sam Nesis case from earlier this year? There has been a media black out as to whether the case is proceeding or whether he was released.

I'm not sure whether Will Rogers said this, but he might have:

"Some folks just don't feel good, unless they feel like they're better than somebody else."

MANY crimes take place, are investigated, and then two years later we wonder why they were never handled. Lucky to be a criminal in Danville....

I read this article & feel very sad for the woman that tried to help 2 strangers & ended up being attacked. I am especially sad for the family of this troubled young man, hopefully he continues to get the help he needs so he does not hurt anyone else or himself. Those of you that reacted with speculation about Del Amigo or De La Salle clearly missed the mark on this one- you have no clue about their upbringing so leave it alone.

Releasing the names and photographs of minors involved in criminal felony activity varies from state to state. California is an extremely liberal state that provides and protects specific criminal rights. Unfortunately not all states are as liberal as California.

Almost all juvenile court proceedings and records were confidential as recently as the 1970s. Confidentiality was an integral part of the traditional juvenile justice model, based upon the theory that publicly designating a juvenile as a law violator would stigmatize a young person. This stigma would then encourage the juvenile to adopt a deviant self-image and reduce the potential for rehabilitation.

As juvenile justice policy became more contentious during the 1980s and 1990s, support for confidentiality protections began to erode. Most states opened their juvenile court proceedings or records to the public and to the media. By 1997, 30 states had enacted provisions to allow open hearings in at least some juvenile cases. Forty-two states had enacted legislation authorizing the release and publication of the names and addresses of alleged juvenile offenders in some cases. States also began to allow more juveniles to be fingerprinted and photographed.

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Tough as it may seem to say or hear, sometimes the responsibility of personal behavior falls squarely upon the juvenile's shoulders.

According to his FB page....he's a BOYSCOUT!!!!! Nice. Looks like that orginization failed too.....

Spare the rod & spoil the child.

This kind of behavior can be traced to the cessation of spanking.

Katie

The Boy Scouts is a very good organization, it is the people who choose to volunteer that can mess it up. On that note, one of the troops in Danville has adults with the same last name running it. Don't know if there is any relation, but it is not that common of a name. So again I say it is the people who volunteer, not the organization itself.

Sounds like a lot of harsh criticism from people who obviously don't know the family or situation. I'm surprised at the self-rightous judgment from the Danville community.

I whole-heartedly agree with Kerri! This is such a sad situation! It is sad for the victim and her family, and it is sad for the young people and their families! I wish them ALL healing!

Kerry, Cathy and bz - I agree with you all. Thanks for thinking before you post, and for having the ability to realize how futile it is to pass judgment on a situation you know nothing about.

May everyone (and I do mean everyone) get the help they need to live peacefully.

I am in the same troop as Marshall Dittrich, and I have got to know him and his family quite well. Don't leave bad comments comments about them. DON'T HATE!

Chris, Clearly you missed the obvious point, If you read all the prior post to mine.
Everyone is blaming parents, and the school for this.
If you are going to blame them, you might as well blame the boyscouts tloo!

There are good parents that have kids screw up, and then the school is to blame? Please!

This boy has a troubled past, and that is no reflection upon the family and organizations who have tried to direct his moral compass into a more socially acceptable direction. Society has always produced citizens who failed to live up to their opportunities for meaningful, productive lives, despite their upbringing. It is a heartbreaking situation for all involved.

Katie,

I didn't miss your point. You stated the Boyscouts failed him, too. My point is that his parents (confirmed by a post) are involved with the troop which goes back to the parents, not the Boyscouts, failing him.

With regard to some good parents, yes there are some, but the ones I know do not have screwed up kids, because they are doing their job. Parenting in absentia is big around here as there are so many two-worker households. Kids are left to fend for themselves. How does that instill any morals or values to these kids, and if they are doing something wrong, who is there to guide them or discipline them? Go to any Starbucks on a school morning (which I do after I have taken care of both of MY kids) to see the parenting in absentia in action with all of the au pair, nannies and babysitters that are caring for the kids. Do you think any of these care givers instill any kind of morals or values or really discipline these kids? Please!

Those of you condemning the parents are clearly speaking out of ignorance. I’ve known this family for years and can tell you that the parents are solid people that have done everything that you or I would do to raise our children.

To Dave: they should have done more ... obviously it was not enough!

Dave,

You might know the family well, but no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. Community appearance can be very different from what is really happening in a family. We, as a society, make excuses for everything and we need to start taking responsiblity. Yes, Marshall is responsible for his actions at age 17, but you don't turn into a nightmare overnight. If this child was so difficult growing up, maybe a military-style boarding school might have been a better choice rather than the family-style one they chose. Would have definitely been really tough love for the parents, but might have straightened this child out.

Amazing to see these comments condoning the parents without knowing any facts about the situation. The parents are very good people. No matter how good of parenting one provides a child may still choose to behave badly. This is unfortunate but does happen and can be a nightmare for the parents. Please don't bash the parents.

It's so easy to assume because your own children grew up as responsible people that the desired outcome has everything to do with how wonderful you are as a parent. Conversely, when you see a child with criminal behaviors, it is easy to blame the parent (or the school, etc.). Ah, ignorance. Isn't it sweet?!

Truth be told that some people are born in to this life with issues created in the womb - we can see the outward appearance of these at times - others are hidden and may or may not be something you can alter. What I know to be true is that every child is different and finding the appropriate treatment/program, etc. for a kid who is exhibiting criminal behaviors can be a crap shoot. It sounds like these boys families were trying.

My kids turned out great - I would love to think it had everything to do with me, but they had many influences along the way - some in my control, and some not. I am grateful, but I draw the line at patting myself on the back.

Tracy,

Have you ever read any of nurture vs nature articles? Reading the quote below, it makes it seem that we still have free will and that nurture does affect us more than nature (parents, school, friends, etc.):

"Researchers on all sides of the nature vs nurture debate agree that the link between a gene and a behavior is not the same as cause and effect. While a gene may increase the likelihood that you'll behave in a particular way, it does not make people do things. Which means that we still get to choose who we'll be when we grow up."

Alan, I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist and completely agree that environment does influence behaviors - were this not the case, I would be out of business. My sister-in-law is a psychiatrist and we have many heated discussions on the point that you raised.

My comment above suggests that we can't ignore physiological issues that might influence behaviors that are not readily amenable to intervention, or that require unique interventions and see many failures before something meaningful is found.

So, the short answer to your question is, yes - I have read articles (a bit more clinical than the one you quote from, but still very compelling) on nature vs. nurture. And yes, I still find in my practice that there are some children that engage in behaviors and activities that are unaffected by the influence of their parents - behaviors that are both good and bad.

Alan, Tracy, et al. How does one account for the fact that there may be several children in one family with some being outstanding citizens and others being despicable criminals. I have thrre sons, all of whom I am proud of, yet they are very different from each other. Same parents, same schools, same boy scout troop. Different genes, different friends, slight difference in ages. Who we are is a composite of all factors from conception to the present day. Why do so many people feel that fixing blame is more important that identifying and fixing the problem?

By the way, why are most people afraid of signing their neme? If you have an valid opinion or comment on any topic, stand up and be counted!

@Dr. Kaplan,

You are preaching to the choir with your statement regarding the variations in children in spite of similar environment, upbringing, parental influence, etc.

I do want to respond though to your question on why names are not shared on this forum. I can only speak for myself, but my reasons are twofold:
1) I want to speak for myself and not the organization that I work for, and people may be unable to separate the two; and
2) In the past there have been contributors on this forum who were very threatening (gunslinger comes to mind). I made a decision then to protect my identity. I rarely contribute, but when I do I am always "Tracy" - my middle name.

While we are debating whose fault it is, there is an old lady (someone's Mom, sister, wife) is hurting physically and will be hurt emotionally for a long time. Imagine the outcome if she was armed!

Alan:
Good parents can and do have troubled children who do bad things. Conversely some horrible parents have children who turn out wonderful upstanding citizens. Do you even have children? If so, I hope you are blessed with happy, productive ones. I also hope that your influence didn’t teach them to arrogant and condescending.

I try to live by the motto: Never criticize someone if you haven’t walked in their shoes and Never say “that would never happen to me or my children”. It very well may turn around and bite you in the……...

I used to be very close to Marshall not that long ago while he was living in Danville, and it saddens me to hear what has happened and what's become of him. I know his background (a very traumatic one, at that) and I can tell you with certainty that his actions weren't a result of his current family, as they are very nice people. However, I do agree that the way a person turns out can be related to their past or any traumatic events, or bad parenting.

To Observer:

This person has never been a student at Del Amigo High School. You are proving to be worthless in your own right by making such a subjective conclusion simply based upon what you read about this person's actions. Del Amigo has plenty of smart, caring, wonderful kids who simply can't handle the lack of individual academic attention, over-sized classes, bullying, and drama which exists at the four comprehensive high schools. People like you who spout off about what you don't know harm many other innocent students who are trying to make the right choices in life. By automatically assuming every student in this community who shows poor judgment is a student at Del Amigo, you harm many others who CHOOSE to attend the school in order to graduate early, find emotional stability, get one-on-one academic help, or be able to attend school and work a full time job simultaneously. You should not speak out and judge about what you clearly do not know. People such as yourself are detrimental to many of the students in this area that need a smaller school such as Del Amigo. Maybe instead of blogging your judgments on others, you should visit the school and volunteer and let the students show you what true character is!