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Danville focuses on efficiency to deal with increasing traffic

Original post made on Mar 28, 2013

Danville is focusing on making the most of what it already has to make life better for commuters, according to Tai Williams, the town's community development director. "We're not going to be looking at widening roads, we're going be looking at using our current roadway system more efficiently," Williams said.

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Posted by Tom
a resident of Danville
on Mar 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm

Bringing back public school busing would go a long way toward reducing congestion around town. Our elementary school alone has over 400 cars cramming through narrow streets every morning at 8:15am. Replacing those cars with eight or nine buses would really make traffic vanish. I have never understood why they took buses away. It is not a very green move from SRVUSD.

Posted by Carolyn
a resident of Danville
on Mar 28, 2013 at 3:45 pm

@ Tom

Part of the reason they were taken away is because of the ludicrous schedules they had and their under use because of them. When a survey was sent out a number of years ago for Tassajara Hills Elementary with regard to busing, I wrote that I would not use them. The reason for my decision is that my children would be the first picked up in the morning at 7:20 a.m. for a 8:30 start time and would not get home until between an hour and fifteen to an hour and thirty after school got out. There was no way I was going to put up with that!

Now, at MVHS, the traffic is awful because of the 120 kids they bus from this area. The horseshoe is closed off long before the buses arrive with the kids because apparently they don't think the rest of us will drive safely dropping our kids off in the same area. So, for about 5% of the students, the rest of us have to deal with ridiculous traffic. Whoever put this in place is a complete moron!

Posted by Danville Doug
a resident of Danville
on Mar 29, 2013 at 7:56 am

After reading this's comforting to learn from Lisa Bobadila that she wants us to TEXT while driving. No wonder we have traffic issues.

Posted by Duffy
a resident of Danville
on Mar 29, 2013 at 8:40 am

There is a short term problem looming as San Ramon Valley Blvd and Camino Ramon frontage roads get shut down by freeway construction of the not-needed express lanes between Syamore Valley Road and Crow Canyon road are constructed over the next five years.

Posted by FanDanville
a resident of Danville
on Mar 29, 2013 at 10:13 am

Planners are always operating from a Philosophy and Agenda, which is usually quite "politically connected" and is often hidden and undisclosed to the general public.
In this article, some of the Philosophy is being disclosed:
"What we're really going to be looking for is ways of accommodating mobility in the future by maximizing how we use our existing infrastructure. .....using our current roadway system more efficiently."
(Note that the word "efficiently" is a malleable buzz word, sort of like "sustainability." It can generate a wide variety of designs and results. Likewise, "mobility" is a bit vague.)

What I've found over the years is that the Planners usually implement changes to the road systems that favor, promote, and encourage the Longer Distance travelers and Farther Removed residents over the Shorter Distance travelers and Closer to City Center and Freeway Entrance residents.
These changes have meant that residents who live CLOSER to the freeway entrances in SR and Danville have steadily had their COMMUTE TIMES INCREASED more and more over the years as policies have been implemented that DETRIMENT their commute times to the benefit of residents living farther and farther away from those entrances.
Instead of leaving signals to turn as and when a vehicle rolls up to it, the Planners "program" the signals to give priority and preference to certain types of traffic (the Long Distance flows and Already On The Major Road flows).

It always sounds like a nice and GOOD thing that Planners are trying to do--to have a block of traffic be able to go the speed limit and not have to hit red lights as often. But is it really all that much better and for whom?
Who says that this planned road system Philosophy is "correct" or the "best"?
What is the criteria of that "correctness" and how is it measured? (Note that they are taught in liberal schools where they are not encouraged to think out of the box.)
Who gave Planners the right/authority to do this prioritization? (Note that the citizens don't have a vote in these traffic matters. We just except the Planners to be unbiasedly well-trained and have our best interests at heart.)
How is this "programmed traffic flows" so much better than a system that favors the "side" traffic flows?

The interesting thing is that you would have thought that "liberals" would be favoring the residents that live right on top of the City Centers, closer to work and other destinations, and have shorter drives. Yet the traffic changes of the last 30 years have instead favored the long distance commuters. Liberals have been hypocritical in this area.

Overall, the Planners have been encouraging the far out real estate development. They have been busy LESSENING the burden of those who buy out in Tracy and work in San Francisco (or those who live beyond Blackhawk and work in Walnut Creek), while INCREASING the burden of those who live in Greenbrook and work in Alamo. (And no, I don't live in Greenbrook.)
Over the years, I have observed the signal wait times at side roads entering into Crow Canyon and into Sycamore Road INCREASE from 3-6 seconds to 1-2 minutes at the same signals. This is due to the Planner's "programming".
Whether or not these changes have benefited the whole system is DEBATABLE. It hasn't been proven to me (and what studies there have been are very suspect at points in their supposedly scientific methodology). These policies have been implemented more on the basis of raw BELIEFS, than upon proven science.

a resident of Danville
on Mar 29, 2013 at 10:36 am

Lack of traffic enforcement continues to be the number one problem in Danville. All I see is police cars parked by banks and schools.

The leadership in this town needs to take a look at the performance of that leadership. Wake up ! Recall is possible !

Posted by Huh?
a resident of Danville
on Mar 29, 2013 at 10:47 am

Notice how right wing nutballs seem to be unable to express themselves without typing in CAPITALS and claiming that everything that they don't feel favors them personally to the extent they desire is some sort of "liberal agenda?" That any science that doesn't give the answer they want is "suspect" and "unproven?" Kind of explains the disconnect between the scientists' consensus on global warming and the right wingers' insistence that it's all just a liberal conspiracy.

Posted by Louise
a resident of Danville
on Mar 29, 2013 at 5:42 pm

Huh (pen name) always makes it a right of center issue when someone does not agree with the local authorities or government planners, managers, etc. Isn't it interesting? Stop blaming people for expressing their views which question those in power. They don't always have our best interests in mind but are following a formula or guidelines set by "experts". What happened to questioning authority from the 60's - it used to be the mantra of the left. Now it seems that the right does it more often and rightfully so.

Posted by sponge_bob_roundpants
a resident of Danville
on Mar 30, 2013 at 8:49 am

sure. I'm going to text someone for a ride and they'll magically pull over. You're dreaming.
And the comment on "syncing" - that's simple traffic light control programming. been going on for years. But you must understand that a wrench is thrown in the works everytime the Danville FD ladder truck (seriously?) makes its way out onto the roadway to go buy steaks at Safeway so the rich heroes (aka firefighters - what fire you ask?) can barbeque. Or the pump truck, or the EMT truck, or the HazMat truck, or the...

Posted by spcwt
a resident of Danville
on Mar 30, 2013 at 8:06 pm

Some friends of mine bought a house on Alta Vista Way. Seemed like a nice quiet street. It’s a circle. They live on the back. What could go wrong?

Well, every morning and afternoon, about 100 cars drive by, some fast, all using that neighborhood as a shortcut to avoid the massive backup of hundreds of cars dropping their kids off at Sycamore Valley Elementary.

Posted by Concerned in Danville
a resident of Danville
on Mar 31, 2013 at 7:57 pm

And our Town Council is considering approving more homes along Diablo Road. Doesn't seem to make sense, does it?

Posted by Local parent
a resident of Danville
on Apr 1, 2013 at 11:53 am

Our children have gone to Vista Grande, Los Cerros, and Monte Vista. The commute time involved to drive from Los Cerros or Monte Vista to the stoplight at Green Valley and Diablo Road is staggering. Cars trying to turn left onto Diablo Rd. to go towards the Magee Ranch, Diablo Vista, Blackhawk and Tassajara communities, while a few are trying to turn right, to go west on Diablo Road. It can take 45 minutes to drive less than a mile.

The Town Council should consider driving this route for a week or two before seriously thinking that Danville needs more home along the Diablo Rd-Blackhawk Rd route. The town planners call the stop light at Green Valley and Diablo/Macauly Road "the monster" because they have tried as long as I have driven that route, to maximize the light system there.

Adding more traffic is not going to work. Even thinking of the added taxes from new homes would likely be off-set by the need to widen the streets and add more infrastructure. Maybe the school district needs to send those students over to Dougherty Valley High School.

Posted by Liberal danville
a resident of Danville
on Apr 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm

according to Fan Danville as a liberal I must have really screwed myself buying so close to 680 and downtown Danville. It wasn't until I read his comment that I realized why it is now taking me 1minute 20 seconds to get to 680 now up from 1 minute 17 seconds just a few short years ago. My liberal passions allowed all those traffic planners to help those people who bought houses way out on Camino Tassajara "lower" their commute to 680 from 10 minutes to 12 minutes in the morning. Without those commies trying to equalize traffic flow I am sure it would have been 15 minutes for them

Posted by Huh?
a resident of Danville
on Apr 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm

"What happened to questioning authority from the 60's - it used to be the mantra of the left. Now it seems that the right does it more often and rightfully so."

Louise, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for pointing out what I've been saying for years: The goofiness of the "New Left" of the 60's has been reborn in the "Tea Party Right" of the 21st Century. Back in the day, lefties spoke to each other in their private echo chamber, convincing themselves of the "obvious truth" of the superiority of Socialism, etc., and how corrupt American government was.

Now it's the old farts on the right, waving their tea bags, doing the exact same thing (except the details - but right wing ideology has nothing more to do with American reality than the leftist nirvanas of the past.) Everything is explained as a conspiracy to prevent the "truth" from coming out - and they never stop to think who finances the right-wing blogs and media, or who profits from their mindless repetition of tedious soundbites.

1969 "New Left" = 2013 "Tea Party" Ain't that a kick?

Posted by LOUISE
a resident of Danville
on Apr 2, 2013 at 11:33 am

To answer Huh's comments. The one big difference of the Tea Partyers of the right today and the lefties of the 60's is that now the Tea Partyers are older and paying more taxes. In the 60's they were idealists and utopians but didn't have any money. They were either in school or just starting a career and family. Now they pay property taxes, income taxes and face a broken health care system as they become eligible for Medicare. So, fundamentally, maybe they haven't changed, but they are approaching retirement or are retired and see their savings being eroded by higher costs. Not a rosy future for many.

Posted by Stevo
a resident of Danville
on Apr 4, 2013 at 10:23 am

I think "huh" is still on his acid trip if he thinks the Tea Party is anyhow related to the new left 69'.

Posted by Barb
a resident of Danville
on Apr 5, 2013 at 10:32 am

Traffic management has been around for decades. This problem can be fixed - if folks are willing. If the town traffic planner took a holistic view of the town's existing/projected traffic & the staff/planning commission came up with potential alternatives (with price tags attached), the town council could make informed decisions. Where's the Scarecrow when you need him? ... "if (they) only had a brain" (& a spine ... which character was that?). Residents (including teenagers) would also have to buy in to the plan - and agree to support the alternatives. After all, they are the people in the cars on our roads.

Posted by BB
a resident of Danville
on Apr 5, 2013 at 1:48 pm

Have you ever tried to drive the streets around Montair School when school is getting out? DON'T...the streets are totally impassable...those of us who live nearby must plan our travel around the school schedule....Heaven forbid there should be any emergency in the neighborhood at that time!!! I sure hope this bad situation can be is getting progressively worse!

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