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Danville commission to discuss Housing Element update

Original post made on Dec 17, 2014

The Danville Planning Commission is set to consider supporting approval of the town's proposed Housing Element update Wednesday night (Dec. 17).

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, December 16, 2014, 4:48 PM

Comments (17)

Posted by Resident
a resident of San Ramon
on Dec 17, 2014 at 8:32 am

What an amazing state / country we live in where 196 families will get to live in one of the nicest towns in America, by just being poor. What an interesting concept.


Posted by Dan
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2014 at 8:43 am

Gee, we really need to do a better job of keeping poor people out of Danville. They can work here in the grocery store or at Costco or are teachers in our schools but , God Forbid, that we let them live here. They must be awful people if they are poor!!

Do you realize how awful and elitist you sound? Show some compassion!


Posted by Louise
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2014 at 9:35 am

The people who benefit from affordable housing are really not poor they just have average incomes that are below the per capita or family of four amount the government has determined for the area. This is an attempt to level the playing field and a redistribution of wealth concept advocated by the idealists and utopians in the government. Many years ago when our parents and grandparents were living and working they knew that they could increase their wealth and status by working hard and saving, now all you have to do is be in a certain income bracket and you get a free government boost for just being alive. Let's call it what it is. If you want to better yourself you can. The reason we have so much population growth and immigration are the opportunities and benefits provided just by showing up.


Posted by homeowner
a resident of Danville
on Dec 17, 2014 at 10:38 am

I believe the cut-off for Section 8 housing is over $63000 per year with 3 or 4 children.
Inspections of properties are done once or twice a year and incomes are monitored. There are a lot of one parent families. Many are women who are going to school to improve their lives and many are people who are not.
It is a worthwhile endeavor on the part of the city. The upkeep and repair costs are often higher in low income housing. I wonder who pays these costs.


Posted by Bob P
a resident of another community
on Dec 17, 2014 at 1:20 pm

Bob P is a registered user.

Couple of points here. One, we aren't talking Section 8 housing here, this is not subsidized housing, in that the residents get help paying rent. This is 'work force' housing, better known as 'affordable' housing. Ideally this is owner occupied housing, incentives are given to the builders to provide the housing at 'below' market rate. Also, no housing is required to be built, only planned for.

You might be surprised at the face of those who might qualify for below market housing. I suggest if you are interested, do some research, not jump to conclusions or assume.


Posted by Resident
a resident of San Ramon
on Dec 18, 2014 at 8:49 am

Dan

You are really correct in the first line of your note!!!!!

Ask the people in San Ramon who paid $1mil plus for their homes in Windemere, how they like living next to the "low income" housing.

I agree that it really must suck to be "poor" and that's why a lot of us work are asses off to not be in that position. But, why if I am "poor" do I get to live in one of the best towns in America???? Is that the reward in this country for not "making it".


Posted by resident
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2014 at 9:14 am

@Bob P: You really have swallowed the ABAG vocabulary hook, line, and sinker. "Workforce" housing? Come on, Bob. I'll be willing to be you are part of the "workforce", and yet aren't asking for special breaks because you can't come up with the cash to live in Danville, San Ramon, or wherever it is you live.

Just what is the "workforce" that we are talking about? It appears to be anyone the politicians decides should be given special financial assistance from the rest of us so they can live wherever they want to.

Let's take ABAG's position a little farther: why should anyone live in a 5000 sq. foot house just because they have the money to do so? Why shouldn't the "workforce" have the chance to live in such a house? And why shouldn't the other residents of developments with homes that large be forced to chip in to pay for it? When you start social re-engineering, Bob, such as are the logical extensions of ABAG's dictates.


Posted by Bob P
a resident of another community
on Dec 18, 2014 at 9:27 am

Bob P is a registered user.

@resident, we are all part of the "work force" or we once were. A lot of the affordable housing is geared toward seniors as well. The term 'workforce' housing was coined because the main goal was to provide affordable housing closer to major work centers to alleviate traffic congestion. That's why the 'holy grail' of affordable housing planning was the dreaded 'jobs/housing balance'. I always found that laughable. The other catch phrase was 'smart growth', which advocated higher density close to transit facilities. That has basically become 'it's only smart if it's not near anybody'.

The 'workforce' could be firefighters, police officers, paramedics, the girl who makes your latte, the crew that cleans out your sewer pipes, all kinds of middle income service providers. It could even be someone you love, family or friends. It almost certainly is a senior citizen.

I swallowed the vocabulary because I spoke it for about 10 years while working in the field, spending many years serving the San Ramon community.So yes, I speak the lingo. It doesn't mean I agree with it.

One of the major misconceptions is that workforce, affordable, whatever you want to call it, housing is a hand out. It most certainly is not.


Posted by PSMacintosh
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2014 at 1:24 pm

The CA State Legislature does NOT run Danville. (We did not elect them to run Danville.)
The ABAG group does NOT run Danville. (We never get to elect them anyway.)
Stand up and fight for your own authority....and own ideas (as representatives of ours)!

We have a bunch of cowards in the Danville Council .......or outright Liberal/Socialists themselves!

BTW, is the Oakland Council (or elsewhere) forcibly setting aside some land for $4 Million housing?


Posted by Dan
a resident of Danville
on Dec 18, 2014 at 9:22 pm

Pleasanton fought ABAG and the Legislature for about 10 years and spent about $5,000,000 in that loosing effort. Unless you have $5,000,000 to provide to the town, I suggest you learn a little more about the law and the court cases.

95qkdThe town council has done a fair job in complying with the law.


Posted by Louise
a resident of Danville
on Dec 19, 2014 at 10:54 am

Just to comment on one previous posting. There is a huge disparity in incomes for the police and firefighters who have generous salaries plus fantastic benefits/pensions and those who make our lattes! The police and firefighters I know can and do live in Danville and San Ramon and can afford it. There is no comparison between them and the barista at Peets or Starbucks. And as far as seniors living in affordable housing, they certainly can if they income qualify, but these high density projects are not really for seniors and most seniors would be better served in housing that is specifically for them.


Posted by resident
a resident of Danville
on Dec 19, 2014 at 11:20 am

@Dan: Pleasanton was sued by housing interest groups because it had approved new office space that would attract thousands of office workers, yet it had put a cap on new housing starts in Pleasanton. By contrast, Danville is actually LOSING office space as it redesignates commercial/office areas to satisfy ABAG's mandates for redesignating land for high-density housing.

Danville does not have to kow-tow to ABAG. Don't believe the propaganda of the pro-development Town Council with its high-density housing builder Robert Storer and architect Newell Arnerich controlling the decisions.


Posted by Bob P
a resident of another community
on Dec 19, 2014 at 11:52 am

Bob P is a registered user.

@ resident, you fail to mention who else sued Pleasanton, and what the outcome of that was.


Posted by Peter Kluget
a resident of Danville
on Dec 21, 2014 at 11:14 am

As usual here, the lower the information and comprehension level, the higher the dudgeon.

At the risk of boring people with even a passing familiarity with the subject, State law requires every jurisdiction - county or city - to refrain from making it impossible to live there unless you're rich. The city doesn't have to actually do anything to provide housing for the average folks, just prove that it's at least possible for a private party to build housing that would be affordable for the sub-six-figure crowd without violating local laws. Obviously PSM has a problem with that. Apparently nobody told him about the whole city-county-state-federal pecking order.


Posted by Danville Resident
a resident of Danville
on Dec 22, 2014 at 9:21 am

As much as I hate to admit it, Peter is right. The Legislature has chosen to get deep into the business of planning for our communities and the courts have upheld that decision by the Legislature.

You can stamp your feet, hold your breath or go on a hunger strike but this is a fight that the state will win.

Get used to it.


Posted by Louise
a resident of Danville
on Dec 22, 2014 at 1:48 pm

We have the wrong people in control in Sacramento and Washington, DC. We need to vote them out of office. We have elections coming up in 2016. Get out and vote and pay attention and change what is going on, or you will have high density, affordable housing on every vacant parcel near you!


Posted by Danville Resident
a resident of Danville
on Dec 22, 2014 at 8:53 pm

Unfortunately we only get to elect one person to the Assembly and one to the State Senate. There will be a special election this spring to fill the soon to be empty Senate seat.

One Assemblyman and one Senator in the legislature don't have much influence.


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