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San Ramon reopens Iron Horse trail overcrossing surveys

Original post made on Feb 7, 2015

San Ramon officials have reopened the online surveys seeking citizen input on proposed Iron Horse Regional Trail overcrossings at Bollinger Canyon and Crow Canyon roads.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, February 6, 2015, 1:30 PM

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Posted by RUBERTO
a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 7, 2015 at 8:17 am

This is ,YET, another opportunity offered by the City for residents to comment and influence the decision on the Iron Horse Trail overcrossing. Those who can't find the time to comment on it now should not be surprised if their last minute complaints are ineffective when the construction begins!

Posted by Jim
a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 9, 2015 at 6:55 am

Why can't we choose "no bridge?"

Posted by FanDanville
a resident of Danville
on Feb 9, 2015 at 11:31 am

Tell us, WHY SR wants to re-open the survey process.
Are they not getting enough responses?
Are the responses not informative enough?

This SURVEY stinks!

It is long and laborious to take. I wonder how many people put up with it?

The responses it gives are essentially meaningless. Although some politician will "use/manipulate" them to justify their own decision.

Each bridge picture is comprised of a lot of elements and peripheral components.
Maybe a person likes the top handrail on one bridge, but not the bridge flooring. There is no way to denote that. (Except to write a letter about each bridge.)

A person's response is only as to the general totality of each bridge picture: as to three general questions.
Do you rate it 1-5, as to its architecture, materials, and color.

The color of what: its handrail, its awning, its pillars, its flooring. Each part might have a different coloring or material. Those are all separate questions.

And what is it about a color that you like. Is it that exact color....or a color similar to it?

A response that the color is a 4 = means what?
The overall color of something in that picture is good, but not great. But what does that really tell you? Which color on the bridge is the respondent talking about.
Is it a grey that is close to a grey that they think would be great?

This SURVEY is ridiculous! What a sham process.

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 9, 2015 at 12:34 pm

Overpasses are a must have for all concerned- peds., bikers, drivers. They are optimal for all busy intersections. We really NEED NEED NEED one at Sycamore Valley Road and Camino Ramon. Between the roads, trail, and freeways, the area is hugely congested. An overpass would be vastly safer and more efficient.

Posted by JRM
a resident of Danville
on Feb 9, 2015 at 2:53 pm

Laura....please tell me if anyone has ever been struck in the crosswalk crossing Sycamore while the "walk" light is illuminated. I have lived in the area for 30 years and I don't remember a single incident. Regarding Crow Canyon, the only accident I recall was when a cyclist lost control of her bike and fell into traffic. These ugly overpasses in these two locations are an expensive solution in search of a problem. In many intersections they are warranted of course but not these two. It is interesting San Ramon has moved from the question of "do we need one" to one of "which one do you like?. It's called the "assumptive close" when you are trying to sell something.

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 9, 2015 at 4:17 pm

No, Jim, I fortunately don't know of any accidents. It just looks like an accident waiting to happen since there is so much going on there. All it takes is one elderly driver confusing pedals or a drunk driver zig zagging or someone distracted, etc. (Remember the fatality at Brookside when someone ran a light a few years back). There are kids galore crossing Sycamore from the trail, and if an area ever needed an overpass, I believe it is there. I see overpasses in SF at far less busy intersections.

Posted by JRM
a resident of Danville
on Feb 9, 2015 at 9:54 pm

Well, thank say it just " looks like an accident waiting to happen" ...that is my point exactly. The Brookside accident you cite is at least 150 yards east of the Sycamore/ Camino Ramon crosswalk...I use the Camino Ramon light crosswalk 3 times a week on my run and there is simply no problem.

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 10, 2015 at 6:32 am

No problem yet- Prevention is the best cure. That's what overpasses are for. It's risky business, and I've seen drivers eager to make that right hand turn. Not everyone is alert, sober, or skilled on the roads. Wouldn't it be nice to not worry about vehicles? I'm just not so trusting.

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 10, 2015 at 7:36 am

Oh, also regarding the Brookside accident, there is a prime example of someone running a red light -whether there or farther up- all terrible.

Posted by resident
a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 10, 2015 at 8:04 am

Laura, your argument is ridiculous. You cant plan for everything in life that "may" happen. While were at it, why don't we build a cover for the freeways because you never know when a plane will fall out of the sky and land on you. It's really just a matter of time. How about a lesson in looking both ways (even when the light is green) and stopping if someone is approaching the intersection too fast or you don't think they are paying attention. It works.

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 10, 2015 at 10:20 am

It's a matter of odds. Look both ways- good idea.

Posted by FanDanville
a resident of Danville
on Feb 10, 2015 at 10:33 am

Who says that the whole and only reason for the overpasses is "safety."

Overpasses will make transportation trips more convenient and pleasant for both motorists and overpass users (bikers, hikers, walkers, electric chairs, school kids, commuters, etc.).
Motorists will have fewer stops to contend with.
Overpass users will have a more continuous (less forced stops) opportunity.
This means less travel time for everyone forever on, day after day: shaving seconds off of everyone's trips.

And it is likely to be "safer" as well.

With your logic, we'd have intersections and signals on freeways, instead of road overpasses (bridges).
You really want to fight for that logic!?!

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 10, 2015 at 11:29 am

Would you trust your eight year old to always look both ways?

Posted by Derek
a resident of Danville
on Feb 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm

I could not possibly disagree with you more JRM - and you too "resident". Your logic is so profoundly flawed I hardly know where to begin.
Let's start by talking about the fatal accident at Brookside - and keep in mind that it wasn't the first one on a Sycamore cross street. There is zero doubt that if that drug-hazed driver had been further west when he decided to blow a light at high speed, that the same collision would have occurred at Camino Ramon. The accident involved two victims in a car, but it could have just as easily been kids on bikes.
In the nine years I have been here, I have seen plenty of vehicular mayhem on all parts of this overpass. So far, I haven't seen any involving pedestrians, but it is just a matter of time.
You haven't become a hood ornament yet for some distracted cell phone chewing yuppie or teenager? Well, bully for you JRM. Maybe you will get through this mortal coil without any close encounters. But I personally watched a woman almost get splattered in the small crosswalk spanning the northbound 680 on-ramp last July, and this one has vastly less foot traffic than the big crosswalk we're discussing. I detailed what I witnessed in a post late last year.
I am the first one to rail against eyesores in Danville. And there are plenty to talk about thanks to past & present council members and planners. In the grand scheme of things though, this is an eyesore I can probably live with.
As to the bizarre comments of apparent libertarian-minded "resident", well, gee whiz Res, why don't we tear off all those silly guard rails found along mountain roads. And what of seatbelts? Who needs 'em besides that silly Nader fellow? Perhaps some Taipei or Tijuana style free-for-all intersections would be to your liking? Stoplights are for sissies.
You're about the tenth poster here to suggest looking both ways as a cure-all. Do you understand how many ways someone has to look at this crosswalk? People from Camino Real can turn left, right, or go straight. The Northbound off ramp, left or right. East & westbound Sycamore drivers. Some going straight, others turning onto 680. Others coming out of the park & ride lot going any of three directions. In short, it's another masterpiece of cluelessness by people who presume to identify themselves as "traffic planners".
That you JRM, and you, resident, have had no family members maimed here means nothing at all. It's a matter of time for others. I see no way to make it perfect, but there actually do exist some pedestrian bridges in this world that aren't completely hideous. And the ugliest foot bridge on earth could not compare with the abortion-on-a-hillside that is KB Homes, or the monstrosity rising downtown at Prospect & Hartz. Not even close.

Posted by Laura
a resident of Danville
on Feb 11, 2015 at 6:59 am

Bravo Derek and FanDanville!

Posted by JT
a resident of Danville
on Feb 11, 2015 at 9:33 am

Since when does "safety" drive expensive solutions. Have you ever tried crossing the intersection at Hartz and Prospect, next to the Starbucks. Pedestrians can't even get a Stop sign because according to traffic planners the Stop sign would slow down the traffic volume going north. It's about efficiency. and if you care about safety then "look both ways!!!" Ha Ha suckers...

Get it folks, the decision is being driven by traffic efficiency concerns. If you remove the pedestrians and bikers from crossing at street level, it allows for more traffic to go through those intersections. And who cares about traffic efficiency? Why the developers and bought off politicians and their crony staffs, who so deceptively desire more development in the eastern reaches of San Ramon and Danville.

It is a smokescreen folks, you get to spend your taxed millions on projects like this, while the developer Environmental Impact Reports quietly get to assume larger traffic volumes on these key streets. Good show Politicos!!!

Posted by LT Res
a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 11, 2015 at 9:53 am

JT - do you know of any 'bought off' politicians? Who are they? Have you told the FBI or the District Attorney? They need to know what you know about this corruption!!

Posted by JT
a resident of Danville
on Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 am

@LT Res, Seriously? You don't comprehend the euphemism for the "cozy" relationships that developers have with politicians, city and county staffs and supervisors? Let me guess, you have never gone to city and county planning departments to submit your development plans?, Never worked with staff to make changes, never exchanged emails on what to add and subtract to get something through. Never shown up at city council and county supervisor meetings to present your development plans? Never shaken their hands and introduced yourself at a meeting. Anybody in this business knows intimately to what I refer. And you don't think that the major well-to-do developers and their local, national and sometimes international companies don't get the power of campaign contributions? Or perhaps you don't get the power of money in politics... well the Koch brothers sure do. And there are countless examples of local residents in the real estate, lending, construction and development business that absolutely do. So when you write such a post, you have to wonder where you are coming from.
If you don't believe me about the Hartz and Prospect Stop sign, then go back to the public record, or better yet call the Danville planning staff and ask for the information yourself. While it seems so brain dead obvious that for pedestrian safety you would put a stop sign at that intersection, they denied it based on traffic efficiency concerns!!!
The proposed pedestrian overpasses have little to do with safety and much to do with traffic efficiency for the eventual traffic mitigation that will surely need to happen as more and more development projects get proposed to the east.

By the way, I have rollerbladed, hiked, run and biked through those intersections hundreds of times. Do I support an overpass? Yes. But it has little to do with their concern about your safety.

Like I said, look both ways and never trust a car to see you, that is the rule of the road...

Posted by Resident
a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 12, 2015 at 8:13 am

JT - I have been to some Danville Council meetings as well as some San Ramon ones. I must be oblivious because I didn't see what you saw.

You really should get together with some of your like minded friends and run for Town Council. Danville obviously needs more people like you to clean up the politics in Town. If you start now, you could have a two person ticket to run against the incumbents and make some real headway in turning things around.

Or you could just continue to complain on this website and nothing will really change.

You choose.

Posted by JT
a resident of Danville
on Feb 12, 2015 at 9:08 am

@Resident, when you say that you saw no such thing in town council meetings. Do you understand it is peoples livelihood to know the councils and the supervisors and staff. Do you know ANYONE in the development business, whose JOB it is to know and work with these people as part of their career. They routinely go to meetings during the day that most people never go to, they go to city and county offices and meet with people all the time, they go to planning meetings that most people don't even register are happening. I know people that are in the development business. Geo Tech engineers who present on behalf of their clients, landscape architects that do the same. They donate and they smoooze and they go to the same events, parties.. basically they have access. You really think money does not factor into local politics... Do yourself a favor and find out who is on each politicians donor rolls and then start asking around town what these folks and companies do for a living.
This is not a complaint... the public like you would do well to open your eyes to what is really going on with the over passes and the primary driver is NOT SAFETY. You wake up.

Posted by Resident
a resident of San Ramon
on Feb 12, 2015 at 12:32 pm

JT you really need to run for Town Council and clean up this mess!! Otherwise it will continue as is.

Posted by Resident #2
a resident of Danville
on Feb 12, 2015 at 4:56 pm

I think the Danville council does well. But if you disagree JT you need to show up more to the council meetings and tell them that they are corrupt.

Or like Resident says - you should run for council and really make a difference.

Posted by JRM
a resident of Vista Grande Elementary School
on Feb 14, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Just to correct Derek...the individual who caused the accident with the Pirdari and Dowlati families was not " drug crazed" he was an epiliptic with a record of seizures..he is in jail now.. I suggest we simply lower the speed limit from Tassaraja West to 35....

Posted by PSMacintosh
a resident of Danville
on Feb 16, 2015 at 10:30 am

"...I suggest we simply lower the speed limit from Tassaraja West to 35.... --JRM"

Hey, lower the speed limit to 25....that would be even safer.
Lower it to 15...that would be even safer.
Lower it to 0.....that would be _____
Don't go out of your house.......that would be _____

Keep your "logic" off the, that would be safer for future generations!

Posted by JRM
a resident of Danville
on Feb 16, 2015 at 7:46 pm

Pizzmac....umm....Okay....I guess....are you losing it? Historically your posts are periodically out there at times but you do have some that reflect sobriety and lucidity. This is not one.

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