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Danville commission postpones Verizon tower decision

Original post made on Jul 30, 2015

The Danville Planning Commission delayed decision-making on a new Verizon Wireless cell tower proposed for eastern Danville, sending the project to the town's Design Review Board after hearing from nearly four-dozen dissenters Tuesday night.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, July 29, 2015, 5:54 PM

Comments (16)

Posted by Pedal Power
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 7:50 am

Three schools within a two mile radius? OMG, our children will be growing up with extra appendages! Seriously though, given the way that signal strength dissipates, I can almost guarantee that the little darlings will be getting way more radiated emmissions from their home or school wireless router, (not to mention their own smartphone).

Posted by mom
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 8:34 am

Remember the cancer cluster years ago in Alamo? Not worth the risk to all these kids exposed daily. No thank you! Find another location far away from growing and vulnerable children and families please!

Posted by Peter Kluget
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 9:27 am

"Remember the cancer cluster years ago in Alamo? Not worth the risk to all these kids exposed daily. No thank you! Find another location far away from growing and vulnerable children and families please!"

I'm sorry, but is that supposed to make sense? Do you have any evidence that the cluster you refer to was caused by a cell phone tower? A few years back there was a big cell phone cluster on a light pole at the Little League field next to Sycamore Elementary school. Thousands of kids were "exposed daily" to whatever it was that you're prattling on about, and I don't remember any cancer clusters caused by that.

Fear and ignorance should not be the basis of a governmental land use decision.

Posted by P
a resident of Blackhawk
on Jul 30, 2015 at 10:51 am

If the local residents express their concerns about their health and property values and don't want the tower to go up, then it should be respected and not criticized because they are the ones affected and paying the taxes. As far as the government regulations go, one should always be skeptical of what they deem "fine" on any topic. With all the vacant land and hills far away from this area being considered, I am sure there is a better choice; also I find it hard to believe that there were no other options proposed to the public or asked from the residents to suggest before seriously considering the ONLY option that was given. I feel as though this consideration is being shoved down our throats when residents are given other options and asked about options from residents when considering a project. I for one will demand my real estate taxes to be dramatically reduced if this should go through and I am sure that others in the same area will do so also.

Posted by P
a resident of Blackhawk
on Jul 30, 2015 at 10:58 am

Correction on above sentence: I meant to say "I feel as though this consideration is being shoved down our throats when residents AREN'T given other options..."

Posted by Peter Kluget
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 11:06 am

Your property taxes are based on the value of your property. If a cell phone tower actually reduces your property values your taxes will go down. But there aren't enough obsessive and easily scared people around to depress property values just because there's a cell tower somewhere in the general vicinity (which is true almost everywhere these days.) In which case, good luck with your "demand."

Posted by C. R. Mudgeon
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 11:16 am

As Pedal Power says above, students at nearby schools are receiving hundreds of times more radio-frequency (RF) radiation from their own cell phones (smart or dumb), as well as from the Wi-Fi routers in the school (as well as in many/most of their homes.

Yes, the signal strength from the tower is stronger than the signal transmitted from a phone. But, for every doubling if distance, it reduces by a factor of 4. And at 10x the distance, it is reduced by a factor of 100. So, even if the tower transmit power is 100x the phone's transmit power (a non-untypical ratio), a phone that is a couple of feet away from it's owner, is much more of an issue than a tower that is just a couple of hundred feet away (let alone two miles!) At 100 times the distance (300 feet, versus 3 feet, the tower's transmit power has been reduced by a factor of 10,000, and is now at about 1% of the power from the phone....

Actually, as I stated in a post to a previous article, cell phones reduce their own transmit power when they are receiving a stronger signal from a tower. It is almost always the case that the radiation received by a cell-phone user is less when they are closer to a tower, since their own phone will be putting out a weaker signal. If the concern is the exposure of school children, then any children who are carrying cell phones around with them would be helped by putting the tower CLOSER to the school, and not farther. And even for the kids without cell phones, a FAR bigger issue would be the presence of Wi-Fi routers within the school. (I am not saying that this is real issue, either - only saying that the exposure to RF energy is much greater from the Wi-Fi routers, than it is from a cell phone tower. For that matter, the residual leakage energy from a microwave oven can also be greater. And human beings emit infrared radiation (aka "heat").

As a side comment - similar laws of Physics apply to the electric fields surrounding high-voltage power lines. Even if your house is right next to high-voltage power lines/towers, the field strengths in your house are strongest around the circuit breaker box, as well as any electricity-powered light or appliance, and have nothing to do with the well-attenuated fields from the high-voltage power lines.

Posted by C. R. Mudgeon
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 11:19 am

Sorry about a couple of minor typos and a punctuation error or two (like it's versus its), in the above post. I also meant "a not-untypical ratio", as in "a fairly typical ratio".... I wish there was an edit-function!

Posted by doctor
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 4:46 pm

the US has one of the highest if not THE highest cancer rates in the developed world.. wonder why with all the cancer causing things in our environment.. at one point cigarettes were deemed safe, as was a government FDA approved drug called VIOXX which was later removed from the market due to causing heart attacks!! not everything the government mandates as "safe" is actually safe.. especially when it comes to something as difficult to measure as radiowaves from towers.. but we wouldn't have so much cancer if it was not for all of these unknown carcinogens in our environment that are presumed to be safe by government (ie big business lobbying pressure). let's not expose our vulnerable children to these harmful and cancer potentiating towers for the benefit of big business enterprise.

Posted by One Direction
a resident of Danville
on Jul 30, 2015 at 5:15 pm

People seem to be misdirecting their concerns here - these questions need to be addressed to the FCC. Danville is specifically precluded from considering perceived health or environmental risks associated with RF emissions. Maybe rather than spinning your wheels at the town level, you should address your questions to Desaulnier or someone else who is in the appropriate position to do something.

Posted by ddmom
a resident of Danville
on Jul 31, 2015 at 9:08 am

Looks like this is a done deal. So glad the neighborhood was asked for their input before the deal was made LOL. Now the project has to go through the design review process. How will changing the look of the tower help the neighborhood concerns? Branagh development is planning on building 3 custom homes right down the street from the new tower. Wonder what the tower is going to do to the new home prices?

Posted by Pedal Power
a resident of Danville
on Jul 31, 2015 at 6:10 pm

@doctor: You are quite right not to trust the government, when it comes to regulations, but in this case C.R. Mudgeon did a nice job of explaining the basic physics wrt radiated emissions, and this link has some interesting stats that may persuade some of you to move your alarm clocks a bit further away: Web Link (emfwiseDOTcom/distanceDOTphp).

Posted by Saltheplumber
a resident of another community
on Aug 2, 2015 at 7:11 pm

Verizon and other communication giants are shoving these towers in any place without regard for anything other than their own needs. Exposure to EMF radiation wont kill you in a month or a year. Nor will it affect everybody, but there is more and more info emerging that this sea of radiation is NOT GOOD FOR US. Also, today, Verizon is pumping out 4G signals. Who knows what they will be pumping out in the future. Think Verizon will tell you? This is a classic case of the Corporations and the FCC telling you, "Theres nothing to worry about". Then years later we find out that we've been hoodwinked, lied to and fed pure BS. Who will be there saying OOPS? Forget that. Put these towers as far away from people as possible. Its time for Cities and Counties to DESIGNATE the areas where these things are acceptable. And thats it!

Posted by miSFit
a resident of Diablo
on Aug 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm

The Design Review Board is meeting about the cell tower design this Thursday 8/13/2015 at 5:30pm.
"Monopine" cell tower anyone? See it here on the town’s website: Web Link

Is the surrounding neighborhood attending this meeting?

Brenton, you can be a good neighbor and stop this -- Do not be fueled by greed.

Posted by Mimi
a resident of Danville
on Aug 31, 2015 at 3:52 pm

A neighbor posted this message, "Turns out the purpose of the cell tower is to cover residents of San Ramon and not Danville a fact not disclosed by Verizon
The reason the cell tower is not being placed in San Ramon is the residents have rejected it so Danville residents will face decreased property values with no benefit to cell coverage."

Is this true?

Posted by miSFit
a resident of Diablo
on Sep 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm

The recommendation to approve this monstrosity is back on the agenda for the upcoming Planning Commission meeting this Tuesday, September 22, 2015. Once again the TOD goes against the wishes of it's residents. Web Link

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