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SRVUSD rolls out 10 proposals for more student, staff, parent flexibility

Original post made on Sep 9, 2017

The San Ramon Valley school board is considering a variety of changes to implement in coming years that would offer more flexible options for students, families, faculty and staff.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, September 8, 2017, 4:31 PM

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Posted by Jeff
a resident of Danville
on Sep 9, 2017 at 7:51 am

With this District most decisions are motivated by money. In regard to on-line and cultural schools, are these being allowed to reduce need to hire and compensate more District teachers, provide them benefits and then give them a pension?
May not be as altruistic as it appears...

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Posted by Scott Hale
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 9, 2017 at 8:59 am

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Good question, will you show up for the talks and ask??

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Posted by Teacher
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 9, 2017 at 10:54 am

While the idea of proposal 1 might seem like a nice idea, it would be extremely difficult at a smaller middle school like the one I teach at. The only feasible explanation given, in my opinion, is the effect on traffic. The challenge of scheduling should definitely be taken into account when considering this option.

Proposal 4 would also be very challenging for middle schools when it comes to the core class model. Core teachers typically have 2 or 3 core sections during the day (depending on whether the class is a 2 period or 3 period block.) If the number of classes was reduced to an odd number, it would probably result in the need to eliminate the core model from the middle schools.

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Posted by DarbyS
a resident of Danville
on Sep 10, 2017 at 9:06 am

As a teacher, I hope they consider proposal three. It is extremely irritating to receive an email from a parent the second you post a grade. The grading website is often watched like a stock market. Helicopter parents in this district are really impacting their kids mental well being, and it is truly sad.

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Posted by Todd
a resident of Danville
on Sep 10, 2017 at 4:55 pm

I believe we should be extremely careful and thoughtful about Proposal 3 (reducing/eliminating parent access to School Loop). School Loop is about more than grades (and helicopter parenting). It provides some degree (depending on how committed teachers are in posting) of real-time data on assignments and completion, that can be an invaluable tool for parents to support their child’s learning and growth (not grades).

Parents understand that students in middle and high school are supposed to be developing their work- and time-management skills, and our schools are supposed to challenge them. But students with executive function deficits (often students with ADHD, autism, learning disabilities, etc.) can have more than the usual difficulty writing down assignments, remembering them, remembering to turn in work, etc. For these students, the work-management expectations of the typical classroom and schedule can be nearly impossible to meet without additional support. And let’s be honest, many teachers do not have the time or ability to provide that extra support. How helpful is it to a student to learn that (s)he has forgotten an assignment four weeks after it was due, long after it is too late to make it up, or to be relevant to additional work?

The District (I would expect) understands the value of timely metrics in driving improvement. Would the District want to be limited in its access to its data (graduation rates, CASSPP scores, API, etc.), and find out only after it’s too late to do anything about it?

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Posted by Todd
a resident of Danville
on Sep 10, 2017 at 5:27 pm

I wonder about proposal 4, reducing middle school classes to six periods. I'm guessing that what we're really talking about is offering one less elective period for middle school students. Most 6th grade students currently have a three-period core (English, reading, history), math, science, PE and an elective (wheel). That’s seven periods. So what’s getting dropped? My guess is the elective. But most students with learning disabilities are already required to miss out on the elective to obtain a period of resource support. So what would get dropped for them? And band (for students wishing to play an instrument) is also an elective.

In 7th and 8th grades, reading is generally collapsed into English for a two-period core (perhaps the model the District is looking at?), and students pick up an “extra” elective (ie, two). But again, for students needing resource support, they didn’t have a first elective to start with. Imagine a student (and I know many) with a learning disability who also chooses to play an instrument: English, History, Math, Science, PE, Resource, Band. That’s seven periods. So what gets dropped? And that doesn’t include the foreign language that the District would like to encourage middle school students to take (Proposal 5). Or any other electives.

Electives have enormous value for many (if not most) students. Students can explore non-core classes that excite them, identify things they’re good at, provide them a place to apply what they’re learning in core classes, and provide an alternative to the grind of what may be very difficult (especially for kids with disabilities). Speech/debate, robotics, art, programming – these have real value to real students, and are sometimes what keep them motivated, and attending.

Eliminating an elective period would disproportionately impact students with learning disabilities who require resource support, and would narrow their access to electives. This needs to be thought out extremely carefully.

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Posted by CB
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 11, 2017 at 7:51 am

So many great ideas here. Happy to see some movement on the Infependent PE.

Caution on #3 and echo Todd. Kids and parents both benefit from seeing assignments posted online so they can learn time management.

Infrequent posting of grades is frustrating to kids. They are often taking exams when quizzes have not yet been graded, missing important feedback necessary to be successful. Giving teachers a pass on timely grading because they don't want to hear from parents is not the solution.

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Posted by Scott Hale
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 11, 2017 at 10:24 am

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All for #2. My son is on a swim team that has practice M-F. Be nice to get credit for that in some way.

All against #3. In elementary school we as parents see no grades online and very little comes homes graded in any manner. We are essentially in the dark until conferences, report cards (3x a year only!) and/or pester the teacher for updates. Heck, they don't even use grades in elementary school, which I'm still trying to get used to.
I think parents should have full access and teachers should be posting grades online in a timely manner; I realize that is pointed at middle school and HS. As a parent I just want to know and not be surprised. Those parents who are obsessive or tend to be helicopter parents will STILL find a way to do that with or wo online access; they will harass the teacher much much more. Sorry #3 is a no go zone for me.....

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Posted by mike
a resident of Danville
on Sep 14, 2017 at 3:04 pm

I am firmly against limiting access to the portal (proposal 3). At least once a month, we find a major error where our son got an A on a test but the teacher logged it in at less than 75%. Without daily access to the portal, we wouldn't know about these errors until it was likely too late or too difficult to go back and figure out where the problem occurred.

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Posted by Teacher
a resident of Alamo
on Sep 16, 2017 at 9:01 am

#3: Assignments can still be accessed, but the grades should only be posted at mid term and at the end of the quarter. If any parent had to operate/work in an environment where their boss checked their productivity like the parents check student grades, they'd explode. A student left a cell phone in my room last year after a test and the student forgot to turn in that daily assignment, I put the zero in to remind the student to turn it in the next day and the PARENT immediately texted the student "Why do you have a 0????" So, once the student returned to get their phone, they already had a message from the parent about their mistake. Parents use school loop like teenagers use snap chat. Parents are mad at the school for "stress levels' and the schools are spending time talking about student's mental health instead of preparing them for the next chapter of their lives (like they are supposed to be)...when the REAL culprit of stress is not coming from the school but from parents who are so caught up in micromanaging their kids existence that it makes great sense for the district to remove the minute by minute, play by play of a child's grades. Now, with that being said, there needs to be better outreach by TEACHERS to parents if a child is in danger of failing (a C is NOT failing) if this grade component is scaled back.

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Posted by Scott Hale
a resident of San Ramon
on Sep 17, 2017 at 7:32 am

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@teacher: I don't buy it. Perhaps a 'few' parents go nutso when they see grades, but nothing near majority. And even if (a big If) the district were to adopt #3 those same parents would find another way.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with elementary school grade system? If you were, you would understand. We see nothing. Online, brought home, nearly zero. Even grades (which aren't grades) only come home 3 times a year.

Sorry, once they hit middle school I want to know test scores, grade etc so there is no surprise and I always know where my 'child' is status wise.
Those teachers who can't manage parents certainly have a tough job, but they should remember who exactly pays for the education and some some ability to understand.

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